District 1 seeds and brackets

[grapplemonster]

Here they are boys....I had to go way out of my way to get these, but my source gave me a copy this morning!!

16 man bracket...cross-bracket in the quarterfinals...remeber if a seeded wrestler bows out for injury, weight, etc..the whole thing may be redrawn!!

103
Meury fx
bye

bye
Zoncha via

Stahlmann NW
pepper sec

bye
spencer mar

hudson laf
savage oak

bye
divanbeigi ps

martin jk
huber kirk

bye
summers lind

112

kriscke nw
bye

bye
margherita laf

bunch mar
bye

rayburn jack
wheelis pw

irving lind
bye

tirn via
morgan mhl

burns ps
bye

morgan sec
hall fox

[grapplemonster]

seeds are as follows
1
____

____

8

5
______

______
4




3
______

______
6

7
______

______
2









119
young pw
bye

blessing oak
banks kirk

diggs laf
bye

foster fox
shoemaker via

halloran mehl
bye

fuchs mar
seal lind

brown jack
conway sk

baden ps
kriske nw

125
green oak
dillard mar

bye
bage ps

olejnik laf
steinbrook lind

bye
ojiale via

miller jk
holle kw

makowiski sec
michaels pw

banderet fox
bye

costa mhl
ingargiola nw

130
garcia ps
dlearber fox

bye
shoemaker jax

harris laf
bye

mendica oak
muenster via

torgoley mar
bye

cain lind
chandler nw

young pw
bye

proctor kw
eime sec

[TDC]

Where's Watterkotte NW 103, is he hurt or something?

[obnoxio]

He's taking the weekend off.

[coachsdtr]

And the rest are?

[grapplemonster]

sorry..had to do some actual work

135
pepper sec
bye

allison ps
Naes fox

krassinger via
dorsey kw (younger)

bye
stansberry pw

Watterkotte nw
bye

northcut oak
boggs laf

lauer mhl
kabak mar

mckenna lind
shoemacher jax (older)

140
B. Buettner lin
Wanderse ps

bye
Hooper via

Brown jac
doughtery sec

bye
robidoux mehl

M. Dorsey kw
Martinez mar

wilson pw
delacruz fox

wood oak
bye

chida laf
porter nw

[coachsdtr]

THANKS

[grapplemonster]

145
Tulley mar
bye

Koepke laf
Thomas oak

morris nw
brenton ps

bye
bearden lind

valleroy sec
bye

rodgers via
dleria pw

broeder kir
bye

grempler mehl
mcmillen jac

152
Bearden lind
bye

larson pw
mckeon kir

bader via
alexander laf

bye
brengle fox

uzzetta nw
corrigan oak

richardson ps
johnson mehl

bakai mar
bye

czerniesky sec
gant jac

160
campbell fox
stika via

bye
bezzole pw

lewis kir
haddad mar

bye
Corzine nw

thomas ps
bye

melton sec
werner jac

higgs lind
bye

stollhans
foley oak

[grapplemonster]

171
Moore laf
bye

stafford nw
huskey fox

adams lind
bye

young ps
toney oak

cain sec
perry jac

bye
phillips pw

bazdresh
bye

suter via
eisenmayer mar

189
porter nw
pettovic via

bye
callan pw

gioia mar
bye

bye
fuselier ps

henry sec
sherrell lind

bye
peiffer jac

jones oak
geringer fox

bye
brewer laf

[grapplemonster]

Rampley jac
bye

Margason mar
clark kir

marler oak
glore sec

bye
aten nw

bell laf
bye

dearmont mhl
rodgers via

sanchez lind
bye

shadman ps
rodgers fox

275
jensen jac
wright ps

bye
nekic via

barker kir
bye

marsh laf
fischer mehl

breeden sec
bye

moralas oak
himmelman nw

todd lind
mache mar

bye
mckinney fox

OOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHHHH! cramps cramps ...done

[coachsdtr]

NICE WORK - THANKS !

[alumnus]

is waterkotte not wrestling because he coudln't make 103 anymore?

[obnoxio]

s waterkotte not wrestling because he coudln't make 103 anymore?

dunno...the last thing I heard was that he did really well in his physics class is winter and wants to concentrate on becoming an astronaut.

[Warren Haynes]

I heard that MSHSAA recently passed a bill limiting the number of sets of siblings allowed on one team to four. There is a multiplier for twins so the Wilhelms counted double. so the freshmen was the odd man out. :lol:

[obnoxio]

I heard that MSHSAA recently passed a bill limiting the number of sets of siblings allowed on one team to four. There is a multiplier for twins so the Wilhelms counted double. so the freshmen was the odd man out.


Ding, ding, ding.... we have a winner!!!!


great post!

[alumnus]

Just heard the real reason he is not wrestling so the outstanding jokes can end.

[obnoxio]

What jokes????

So why is he not wrestling?

[gbmem]

i heard these seeds are not correct does anyone have the brackets for district 1

[coachsdtr]

FYI - these are the seeds.

[Trey Anastasio]

and the brackets as well. See previous post.

[gbmem]

what did happen to jake waterkotte is he okay?

[grapplemonster]

Heard he grew two inches and couldn't hold the weight. I applaud his coaches and family for making a wise choice to not "starve" for 3 days before these meets.

It is a tough decision, but in the long run he will be fine. He is only a freshman. He could be the 112 in most lineups, but not in the tough Lions.

I heard that he is weighing 119 or 120 now. I wish him the best of luck in the future.

Next year with the new rules..everyone will probably be up a weight or two.

[Louden]

Next year with the new rules..everyone will probably be up a weight or two.

I heard close to 130. Don't know if that is true though.

sucks, it hurts Northwest's chances of a State Trophy, but at least we have a stud wrestler like Stahlmann to back up Waterkotte.

[JustAMom]

Sorry to hear about Jake. He has always been one of my favorite kids. It is really tough at those low weights when you hit a growth spirt. Then it kind of defeats the purpose when you have to cut so hard to make weight; they end up to weak to wrestle. I'm sure he will be back next year and we will all be hearing a lot about him.

[Louden]

I just went through and did my predictions for District. This is just for fun and any high school wrestlers reading this should take their coaches advice and not read it if in anyway you might be disappointed or angry or whatever. This is just one persons predictions and every year there are some surprising upsets, such as Nick Uzzetta with a .480 record pinning Andy Bader who has a .830 record. It happens every year and no one wins or loses before the match is over. It's just guesses, and I am not certain of my picks either. On a lot of matches I was thinking about going with one guy, then changed my mind, then changed it again. It's just for fun.

Here we go:



103:

1) Hudson
2) Meury
3) Summers
4) Stahlmann

Yes, I am going with Ashley on this one, if she can make weight and not be too drained from cutting. She was the best out of the group last year and hasn't gone head to head with any of these guys yet, but does have a lower seeding due to criteria with common opponants. I do think that she wasn't 100% when she wrestled Banning having just got over being sick and had also just cut down to 103 for the first time. I think she will be sharper at Districts as long as she is healthy and cuts the weight correctly.

Meury is slick but he is small, this may cause problems for him against Ashley. I could be wrong but I think Summers will cause her more difficulty than Meury, even if Meury is better than Summers. We'll see though, should be fun.

112:

1) Krischke
2) Irving
3) Wheelis
4) Hall

I know Hall beat Irving in OT but I am going with Irving this time around. Funny, I am picking Irving to win over someone he lost to in OT, then to lose to someone he beat in OT.

119:

1) Young
2) Krischke
3) Halloran
4) Diggs

Krischke/Halloran II will be fun, but I think the Hurricane will pull it out again. In the finals against Young, anything can happen and they only wrestled once this year, and that was the first Tournament of the year and Young won 13-9. I'm pulling for Herb, hoping he has a new trick up his sleeve.

125:

1) Green
2) Ingargiola
3) Michaels
4) Ojile

Ingargiola is the defending Super District Champion and will have a hard road to the finals, starting off with the first person who beat him this year in Banderate from Fox. Hopefully this style match-up doesn't go against Vito again. Green is the favorite to win this Tourney.

130:

1) Garcia
2) Chandler
3) Harris
4) Young

I think Garica will pull it together and beat out Harris to make the finals, and on the reverse side I pick Chandler to battle on through. The seedings here are nothing like I expected but it is very deep at 130 and some good kids could stay home. Like 125, you will have a lot of close matches and the results could be completely different then the ones I have out there.
Eime is seeded 2nd, but I haven't seen much from him. He is very good but he is going to run into George Young for his second match and Young is solid. If he makes it past Young he will have either Chandler or Torgoley-which is another good match. Chandler won earlier but Torgoley was in the match and will be fired up to kick Chandlers butt this time around. I'm going with the home boy all of the way to the finals. Go Chandler!

135:

1) Pepper
2) Schumacher
3) Waterkotte
4) Boggs

The top 2 guys are clear favorites to make it to the District finals, but both Boggs and Waterkotte are tough, as well as a few others. Waterkotte has beat Boggs twice, and lost once, and each match could have gone the other way. Maxx is going to have his hands full of Boggs, and may possibly meet up with him twice at this tourney.

140:

1) Porter
2) Buettner
3) Dorsey
4) Robidoux

I wish I knew the reasoning for seeding Beuttner 1st, but okay. Dorsey and Porter will make a great semi-final match and I would have preferred to see Dorsey wrestle Beuttner since they haven't gone head to head yet, and the winner take on Porter in the finals, but this is the way it works.

145:

1) Tulley
2) McMillian
3) Bearden
4) Valleroy

I wish I knew more about the head to head matches here, but these are my guesses.

152:

1) Bearden
2) Uzzetta
3) Brengle
4) Bader

This weight was one of the toughest, because IMO any single one of these guys + Sean Gant could stay home. There are five studs here and one must stay home. Uzzetta is going to have to come into his match against Johnson with a different game plan than the one he used last week before he can even get to the semi's to go against Gant again, whom he barely beat in 2OT at cape by 1-0. If he can repeat, he can be in the finals, but it will be very tough to do so, even if he has a path to the finals through wrestlers he has already beat.
Brengle and Bader are going to have a tough route too. They face each other in the Quarters and the winner must face Bearden, the loster must work back through the wrestlebacks. The winner of the quarterfinal match should have the easiest route to state because even if they lose to Bearden, they will likely have to face Johnson of Mehlville to qualify, whereas the loser of the match will likely have to face the loser of Uzzetta/Gant to qualify. That is a key match up right there, and they could possibly meat again for 3rd if it goes as I predicted.
I picked Gant to stay home even though he is a good wrestler because for the past 2 years he has been ranked and seeded good, but fell short. Bader has as well, and it is those two whom I see wrestling to qualify for state, and the loser staying home.

160:

1) Campbell
2) Foley
3) Corzine
4) Thomas

Another tough weight, and I may get some crud for picking Corzine over Thomas, but the decisionmaster IMO will squeek that one by.

171:

1) Moore
2) Eisenmeyer
3) Cain
4) Toney

Not too much to consider here IMO

189:

1) Porter
2) Brewer
3) Henry
4) Fuselier

Tough bracket, I went with the common matches. Brewer/Henry and Brewer/Porter should be good.

215:

1) Rampley
2) Bell
3) Rodgers (Fox)
4) Aten

This one could change some as well but I think this is the safest bet. Rodgers over Bell could easily happen, but Bell is a big dog and a good athlete so I chose him.

275:

1) Jenson
2) McKinney
3) Breeden
4) Fischer

Another one that could change. I could easily see both Himmelmann AND Barker sneaking in here.

Well that's it.

[Patriotfan]

What are some accomplishments of some of the 125 lbers that you listed? I would agree with you that Green and Ingargiola will battle into the top 4 but I think there could be others going for 3 and 4. What has Ojiale done this year? Along with Michaels and Banderet?

[Louden]

I assume you are referencing Bage? I had Bage losing to Green in the quarters, then going to the wrestle backs and beating Costa, and then Stinebrook, but losing to Michaels to qualify. Michaels has been off and on this year, and has beat guys like SQ Justin Miller of Jackson and Chris Eime of Seckman. He also made it to the finals of the Cape Classic and the Hazelwood Central Tournament, losing to Vito Ingargiola both times.

[Patriotfan]

Yes I had Bage in mind but also would like to know accomplishments of others so I have a better idea of how things could possibly turn out.

[Louden]

Yes I had Bage in mind but also would like to know accomplishments of others so I have a better idea of how things could possibly turn out.

I don't know much about Ojile this year, but he did qualify for State last year at 130.

Stinebrook is also a State Qualifier, and he also finished 4th at the very tough Granite City Tournament.

Michaels I already listed.

If you want more in depth their results should be posted on the results pages.

[coachgriff]

OK Patriotfan, here are some details for you.

Michaels- beat Miller, pinned Ojile, and decisioned Bage twice.

Ojile- pinned by Stinebrook, beat Stinebrook by decision, beat Miller by decision, and was pinned by Michaels.

Banderet- lost major dec. to Olejnik, and beat Stinebrook by decision.

Stinebrook- split with Ojile, lost by decision to Bage, lost to Banderet.

Olejnik- major dec. over Banderet, lost by dec. to Bage.

Bage- lost to Michaels twice, beat Stinebrook and Olejnik by decision.

Miller- lost to Michaels, and Ojile, both by decision.


Now, go to class and try to learn something.

[Patriotfan]

:lol: thanks coach... I'll do what I can and I'll see you this weekend. Good luck.

[fatherjoe]

ROBO:

You gonna be at Lindbergh tonight?

Padre

[robo]

Father, that is the plan. Bless you, you must have performed an exorcism of sorts to get me back on.

Did you track down the stories on that girl from Alaska who is the first female state champ in the country, ever? I did a search and she has a couple of sisters who places as well I believe in years past. I guess we have Ashley to cheer on.

[obnoxio]

Wow! some great action in the stands at Lindbergh tonight!! Forget about the action on the mats!

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Do tell!

[obnoxio]

A *hard* scramble from chandler of NW starts a minor verbal brawl between the idiots of Laughalot and NW.

[obnoxio]

Funny thing was... Chandler was wrestling Torgoley of Marquette.

I thought Laughalot hated marquette?

Anyway, Chandler lays heavy lumber on Torgoley knocking him out and the place goes nuts!!!

Then some fat-a$$ laughalot guy starts yelling at the NW coaches and everything gets heated...

Me and Cooner start to jump into the fray......and you just had to be there!

[obnoxio]

The Slyman boys get on the overhead telling all non-wrestlers to get into the stands or they're gonna get tossed.

WHAT! That's where the fights are going on Man!!!!

Tommorrow we're gonna need extra po-po!!! It could get ugly!

[robo]

Hard scramble? Yeah right!

From a scramble from which the centrifugal force sent Chandler to near the center of the mat the other guy went stumbling off the mat and landed on his butt maybe 6 or 7 feet out of bound, his butt planted off the mat on the floor and his leg on the edge of the mat. Chandler turns around an races the 35 feet across the mat, lowers his head like you might in football if you intended on spearing the other guy. The guy looks up and bamb wack zowie *****@@@@@++++ He catches the top of Chandlers head in the chops or right near it. He was out. It would have been a DQ in football. It would have been a DQ on any wrestling mat in the country. On Brook's mat is just cost Chandler that match but no DQ. It was the most flagrant violation I can remember ever seeing.

I really like watching Chandler wrestle. He has talent and he is aggressive. I am glad he is able to continue to wrestle and make it to state, but there is no doubt in my mind that he should have been DQ’ed. I don’t know what message it sends that he was not.

[gacfanski]

I was planning on going down to Lindbergh tomorrow. Should I bring my football helmet?

[RP-in-Nebraska]

WHAT! That's where the fights are going on Man!!!!


:lol:

Sounds like you need a beer!

:lol:

[obnoxio]

It's wrestling!!!

If you wanna make cupcakes and play with dolls I'm sure theres an after school activity available that my tax dollars fund...

Chandlers charge was well within the rules of wrestling. It's called reaction time!

He can't wait for the guy to come back onto the mat and attack him. Chandler did what he needed to do.

[obnoxio]

already had 5 beers

I ain't gonna be able to sleep tonight! I'm juiced. This is the most action I've seen at a wrestling tournament since Nick the Zebra tossed old man Guyton out of the DeSmet gym one year!!

[robo]

Your nose must be tickling your toes about now. Reaction time my butt. It would have been both a spearing DQ and unsportsmanlike in football, much less wrestling. It was a full 35 foot full run. The guy wasn't getting up; he was flat on his butt, legs outstretched, 7 feet off the mat and on the floor. A fully charging football player could have stopped in half the distance. Not only did he not stop, but he lowered his head and drove it right into the guy’s chops. It was the worst case of sportsmanship I can ever remember seeing. It wasn't even close.

Still for Chandler I am glad he is able to continue but it was a gift from Brooks and one very poor official's call.

[pamu63]

Chandler clearly needs a lesson on sportsmanship as do the northwest parents. His wrestling was malicious and uncalled for. He should have been thrown out of the tournament. Torgoley was knocked out after hitting his head on the chairs. This is not WWE wrestling

[obnoxio]

Sportsmenship? What were you watching!?!

Did the zebra blow the whistle? NO! Then keep wrestling!

You bunch of babies.

I'd say the Northwest fans acted WAY better than ANY other group of fans!

[TDC]

Does anyone have the rest of the results. On a side note, I think Chandler was upset that he was not selected to the ALL REVERSAL team and was merely putting his bid in for next year's list. Sounds like he may have sealed the deal!

[robo]

It was certainly more like WWF than MSHSAA sanctioned wrestling as for as the fans were concerned. While I don’t think any of the fans were out of line, the NWHS folks certainly out jeered the lone Lafayette guy ten to one. If it had been the Lafayette wrestler who ran across most of the length of the mat, crossed over almost six feet of off mat, and then drove head first into the chops of a NWHS wrestler sitting on his butt, legs stretched out on the floor, I am certain it would have gotten much uglier. I was shocked that there were so few angry Lafayette fans.

I have my doubts that Brooks signaled the wrestler out of bounds or the action over. I did not hear a whistle. Maybe because it was so obvious to any and all that it was not necessary. Brooks certainly failed to protect the out of bounds wrestler.

I think the defense presented by Obie that this was ‘response time’ is much like the ‘self defense’ claim in a killing. In self defense the claim falls apart when the shooter empties the chambers and then reloads to unload another round into the fallen corpse. In this case when the one wrester is removed by 30 feet of space, runs across two center mat lines, across the out of bounds line, across 6 feet of side mat, lowers his head in a head spearing position and nails a sitting wrestler, legs outstretch, flat on his butt, on the floor off the mat, and nails him with the head into the chops.

It was definitely a wrestling move on the far end, toward the far end of the Brands Bros.’ end of the spectrum of acceptable sportsmanship; and Obie knows this well. Obie sat at the NCAA Div. One National Championship score table as Brands and Abas were coaching their kids. They were shouting at one another, calling each other names, and threatening to start their own WWF match right there. Suddenly the Brand’s wrestler breaks the ankle of the Abas’ wrestler. Brands jumps up and down yelling, “that’s what I’m talking about, that’s what I want to see!”

[robo]

I think that Michael Chandler is the best Div. 1 Prospect to come out of St.Louis in a long time. I think that young Chandler has the same tools and potential. I would certainly rather have an over aggressive wrestler than a passive one. Let us not confuse aggressiveness with what took place in this match. A re-shot is one thing, if Chandler had been on the edge of the mat and the Lafayette wrestler been within reach of the out of bounds line then we have questionable aggression; when you run thirty feet, and have to dive head first into a guy’s chops, 7 feet out of bounds I think the fine line was crossed by at least twenty five feet.

[alumnus]

quit talking about the chandler thing and give some results. we all get what happened. get over it.

[alumnus]

just heard a few results, only for fox though. muery and hall already in the finals. they havn't got to 152 yet. banderet and delacruz still alive in the wrestlebacks as well. sorry that I only have results for fox.

[Denmom]

I just want to know "where is darth in all this?" I want to hear his side of the Chandler match. :o

[alumnus]

once again, only fox results. in the finals fox has muery, hall, campbell, rodgers, and mckinney. banderet, delacruz, and brengle in the last round of wrestlebacks to go to state.

[pamu63]

103: Ashley Hudson-LA vs. Muery-F for 1st-2nd
103: Summers-Linbergh vs Stahlman-NW for 3rd-4th
112: Vito Kirske-NW wrestles for 1st-2nd
112: Trevor Bunch-MA wrestles for 3rd-4th
119: Herb Kriske-NW for 1st-2nd
130: Garcia-PS vs. Torgoley-MA- for 1st-2ndNot sure if Torgoley wrestles, recieved stiches after cut on eyebrow.
145: Tulley-MA for 1st-2nd
171: Brown-LA for 1st-2nd
189: Brewer-LA for 1st 2nd

[alumnus]

for fox, brengle was the only one in the wrestlebacks to make it through. that makes a total of 6 going to state for fox.

[pamu63]

For team scores after third round wrestle backs

1. Northwest
2. Jackson
3. Fox
4. Lafayette

6. Marquette


13. Mehlville

Not sure on the rest

[GregWarren]

Anybody know the District 1 results?

[Wrasslin Man]

Muery Winner 103



Go Zach!

[Jerry Langdon]

103 1st place Muery (Fox) over Hudson (Laf) 9-4
3rd place Summers (Lind)over Stahlman (NW) 6-1

[Jerry Langdon]

112 1st place Krishke (NW) over Hall (Fox) by Fall at 3:39
Prepcasts did not give the results for the Bunch/Wheelis match

[pamu63]

119: 1st Place: Young (PS) dec. over Kriscke (NW) 11-9

3rd Place: Hollarand (MEL) dec. over Shoemaker (Vianney) 9-2

[Jerry Langdon]

119 1st place Young (PW) over Krishke (NW) 11-9 (TD as time expires for the win
3rd place Hollaran (Mehl) over Shoemacher (Via) 9-2

[Jerry Langdon]

125 1st place Green (Oak) over Igarigiola (NW) 3-0
3rd place Steinbrook (Lind) over Ojile (Via) (didn't get score - I think they said by fall)

[Jerry Langdon]

130 1st Garcia by default over Targoley (Marq)
3rd Young (PW) over Chandler (NW) 3-2

[pamu63]

Torgoley had to get stitches above his eyebrow from a cut that he re opened during the Young match. He oringinaly got the injury from the "legal" hit by chandler

[Jerry Langdon]

135 1st place Pepper (Seck) over Waterkoette (NW) 4-0
3rd place McKenna (Lind) over Boggs (Laf) 3-0

[Jerry Langdon]

someone else take over...my wife is dragging me away from the computer... :roll:

[pamu63]

140: 1st Buettner (Lin) dec. Dorsey (KW)
3rd Porter (NW) dec. over Brown (JA) 2-1

[pamu63]

145: 1st-Tulley (MAR) dec McMillen (JA) 6-2
3rd-Valleroy (SEC) dec Bearden (LIN) 4-1

[pamu63]

152: 1st: Bearden (LIN) dec Gant (JA) 5-3
3rd: Brengle (FOX) dec Uzzeta (NW) 14-5

[pamu63]

160: 1st- Foley (OAK) dec Campbell (FOX) In DOT Foley on bottom, Reverse with five seconds 4-2
3rd- Corzine (NW) and Lewis (KW) default, didnot say who defaulted

[pamu63]

171: 1st: Moore (LAF) dec Phillips (PW) 6-0
3rd: Toney (OAK) dec Adams (LIN) 5-4

[pamu63]

189 1st: Porter (NW) fall Brewer (LAF) :41
3rd: Henry (SEC) dec Gioia (MAR) 8-1

[pamu63]

215: 1st: Rampley (JA) dec Rodgers (FOX) 9-4
3rd: Bell (LAF) dec Aten (NW) 6-5

[pamu63]

HWT: 1st: McKinney (FOX) dec Jensen (JA) 3-0
3rd: Barker (KW) dec Breeden (SEC) 3-2

[pamu63]

Sorry some else will have to post team scores

[BigTime44]

Any team scores?

[gacfanski]

112 1st place Krishke (NW) over Hall (Fox) by Fall at 3:39
Prepcasts did not give the results for the Bunch/Wheelis match

Wheelis (PW) by fall over Bunch (Marq)

[robo]

Don't know the score but fairly sure NWHS won. They looked good throughout the tourney. They are winning tough matches and maybe matches that they wouldn't be expected to win. The look like they are firing like a well tuned engine. They faltered on lots of the last matches but in many cases they were probably not expected to get to the place match they were going for so they were actually doing well. They look like a team that believes in themselves as a team.

We were commenting on the officiating that had a noticeable lack of stall calls and those given were fair. I would say over all the officiating was very good. Lindbergh hosted a nice tourney, thanks.

I think some of the surprises for me was seeing Parkway West and Kirkwood with so many wrestlers competing for spots. There were lots of family traditions and brother acts evident throughout the tourney with names like: Bader, Bringle, Kriscke, Young, Bage, Chandler, Pepper/Waterkottte, Porter, Tulley, Bearden, Valleroy, Johnson, Haddad, Thomas, Rampley, and others I probably missed.

[alumnus]

i don't have the team scores but i know it went: Northwest, Fox, and then Jackson. After that I have no idea.

[Coach Couch]

It was certainly more like WWF than MSHSAA sanctioned wrestling as for as the fans were concerned. While I don’t think any of the fans were out of line, the NWHS folks certainly out jeered the lone Lafayette guy ten to one. If it had been the Lafayette wrestler who ran across most of the length of the mat, crossed over almost six feet of off mat, and then drove head first into the chops of a NWHS wrestler sitting on his butt, legs stretched out on the floor, I am certain it would have gotten much uglier. I was shocked that there were so few angry Lafayette fans.

I have my doubts that Brooks signaled the wrestler out of bounds or the action over. I did not hear a whistle. Maybe because it was so obvious to any and all that it was not necessary. Brooks certainly failed to protect the out of bounds wrestler.

I think the defense presented by Obie that this was ‘response time’ is much like the ‘self defense’ claim in a killing. In self defense the claim falls apart when the shooter empties the chambers and then reloads to unload another round into the fallen corpse. In this case when the one wrester is removed by 30 feet of space, runs across two center mat lines, across the out of bounds line, across 6 feet of side mat, lowers his head in a head spearing position and nails a sitting wrestler, legs outstretch, flat on his butt, on the floor off the mat, and nails him with the head into the chops.

It was definitely a wrestling move on the far end, toward the far end of the Brands Bros.’ end of the spectrum of acceptable sportsmanship; and Obie knows this well. Obie sat at the NCAA Div. One National Championship score table as Brands and Abas were coaching their kids. They were shouting at one another, calling each other names, and threatening to start their own WWF match right there. Suddenly the Brand’s wrestler breaks the ankle of the Abas’ wrestler. Brands jumps up and down yelling, “that’s what I’m talking about, that’s what I want to see!”

That may have been the funniest post I've ever read on this board.

[coachsdtr]

team results

Northwest
Fox
Lindbergh
Jackson

[Louden]

Your nose must be tickling your toes about now. Reaction time my butt. It would have been both a spearing DQ and unsportsmanlike in football, much less wrestling. It was a full 35 foot full run. The guy wasn't getting up; he was flat on his butt, legs outstretched, 7 feet off the mat and on the floor. A fully charging football player could have stopped in half the distance. Not only did he not stop, but he lowered his head and drove it right into the guy’s chops. It was the worst case of sportsmanship I can ever remember seeing. It wasn't even close.

Still for Chandler I am glad he is able to continue but it was a gift from Brooks and one very poor official's call.

Considering the entire mat length isn't 35 feet, I'm going to have to call exaggeration on this one.

Chandler was at the center of the mat, and Torgoley was maybe 2 or 3 feet out of bounds. Chandler did charge, but that's what he does. You see it in all of his matches. His intent wasn't to hurt, it was to be aggressive and get the takedown.

[Louden]

Chandler clearly needs a lesson on sportsmanship as do the northwest parents. His wrestling was malicious and uncalled for. He should have been thrown out of the tournament. Torgoley was knocked out after hitting his head on the chairs. This is not WWE wrestling

Can you explain why the parents need a lesson in sportmanship?

[Louden]

I just want to know "where is darth in all this?" I want to hear his side of the Chandler match. :o

I'm flattered!

[momnt]

It was certainly more like WWF than MSHSAA sanctioned wrestling as for as the fans were concerned. While I don’t think any of the fans were out of line, the NWHS folks certainly out jeered the lone Lafayette guy ten to one. If it had been the Lafayette wrestler who ran across most of the length of the mat, crossed over almost six feet of off mat, and then drove head first into the chops of a NWHS wrestler sitting on his butt, legs stretched out on the floor, I am certain it would have gotten much uglier. I was shocked that there were so few angry Lafayette fans.

Whatever Robo..........I don't know where you were sitting but I was smack in the middle of the NHS crowd and the only thing I heard were maybe quiet comments of concern, frustration and disappointment. No jeers loud enough for others to hear if there were even any at all.

I am very proud of our NHS fans. May they keep cheering our team on to VICTORY! Now it's off to State. Way to go LIONS

[Warren Haynes]

Hey Louden, have to disagree with u.

If his intent was to get a takedown, he would have had to drag his toes and keep them in. There was no attempt at that.

I am glad he got to continue, Matt is definately a fun one to watch, this was just some bad judgement on his part.

What did he get the first unsportsmanlike point for. It looked as if he might have said a bad word to Mr. Brooks about the stall call. I was down by mat 1 at the time so i saw everything at a distance.

[Louden]

They only gave the Top Five Team Scores:

Northwest-176
Fox-134.5
Lindbergh-128.5
Jackson-124
Lafayette-104

Biggest upset of the Tournament for me had to be returning State Medalist Josh Schumacher of Jackson not only getting upset by Nick Lauer of Mehlville 6-4 in the Quarters, but then getting pinned the the 2nd round wrestlebacks by Alex Boggs. I can't help but wonder if he was sick. He didn't look anything like the Schumacher that wrestled last year.

Another big upset was Scott Chida over Todd Porter 9-6 in the very first match of Districts. This match ruined Todd Porters hopes of being the District Champion-which IMO he was the best 140 there-but at least Todd got sweet revenge as the match he had to wrestle to qualify was none other than Scott Chida again, and Todd wins the rematch 15-2.

At 103, I was the only one that I talked to that picked Ashley Hudson over Summers. It was a very close match, and Ashley has to be one of the smartest wrestlers out there. What she lacks in her ability to shoot a hard double she makes up for in pure smarts. If she fails her shot, you aren't getting anything from her for it. She's got you locked up until the restart.
Her match with Meury IMO could have gone either way. The nearfall she was not awarded for the peterson was questionable IMO, the ref didn't even give her the reversal until she held the position on Meury for 15 seconds. By then, there was only 2 seconds on the clock, no time for nearfall. On the other hand, when Meury turned Hudson for nearfall, it was counted although it looked from my angle that her back was not exposed at all beyond a second or two, and was at a 90 degree angle. By that time Hudson had to play catch-up and caused her to go for 2 head&arm attempts, making the final score what it was.
Meury did wrestle a very good match, and I am not suggesting he got lucky or anything, but I simply think that either wrestler can win this match.
Stahlman looked really good out there, a definite worthy replacement for Jake Waterkotte.

Irving lost in the Quarters to Bryson Morgan, and then lost to Wheelis to qualify. IMO Wheelis was the #2 guy in the District but due to seeding had to face Vito Krischke in the Semi's and lost 8-1.

119 had no upsets that I can see, and I believe the top four seeds all finished at their seed. Krischke and Young was a very fun match, and very even. A last second takedown by Young secured his victory.

125 was a barn burner, and it looks like the guys who were former State Qualifiers kept their cool and earned the spot to qualify again over some kids that beat them all year. Banderet (Fox), Olejnik (Laf), Michaels (PW), Miller (Jack), and Bage (PS) all stay home despite very good seasons.

130 was also a barn burner, and while I was upset to not see Chandler in the finals since he had beaten everyone who qualified for state except Garcia, it was still a great tournament for this bracket. Torgoley comes back from winning due to DQ over Chandler to a victory over George Young in the Semi's. Torgoley did the right thing in defaulting to Garcia in the finals.
Harris lost to Muenster by fall in the Quarters, and then in the wrestlebacks gets beat by Cain 6-4.
Cain lost his first match of the night to Chandler 11-7, and then comes back with a victory over Harris only to lose to Schumacher of Jackson.
Eime lost to Young in the Quarters, and then made it back to the second round wrestlebacks to lost to Chandler 4-3.
Muenster beats Harris by fall but then lost to Garcia in the Semi's. To qualify for State a second time Muenster lost to Chandler 6-5.
Schumacher was cursed with having Garcia first, but then wrestled all the way through the wrestlebacks to get to the match to qualify, but lost to Young.
This bracket was loaded.

135 was thrown into disarray the moment Schumacher was defeated. Schumacher's fall was a defining momenty for a disappointing day for Jackson.

The same happened at 140 for Todd Porter, but he managed to overcome his surprising loss to avenge it, and win every other match.

145 went as expected except that Valleroy defeats little Bearden.

152 was a tough battle for that 4th spot, and Andy Bader was the one that fell short. He had a good battle with Brengle before falling 5-2, and then dominted the wrestlebacks before falling to Nick Uzzetta in a crazy back and forth battle 14-13.
Gant had the lightest road and made it to the finals. If you look at his scores you would think he had a tough road, but that's what Gant does. He does very little, but also gives up very little. If Gant gets a lead on you, it's hard to come back. He won't do anything to jeapordize that lead. Thus his matches of 10-8, 3-2, 3-1, and his final loss of 5-3 to Bearden.

Foley over Campbell was a minor upset. Foley is a VERY smart wrestler. Against wrestlers who are overall better wrestlers than him, can be outsmarted by him. He plays strategizes his positioning, his stalemates, etc just right and was able to sneak past Campbell in 2OT.
Corzine was injured a number of times throughout this Tourney and I hope he will be ready for State.

at 171 Toney came from nowhere and beats Cain to qualify.
My thoughts go out to Eisenmayer, who broke his leg or his ankle in the qualifying match. It was sad to see his upset mom looking on as the medical staff was attending to him. I hope everything turns out okay to Chet. Best wishes.

189 went as seeded other than Gioia upsetting Fuselier in the Quarters.

215 also went as seeded.

275, Barker of Kirkwood surprised some folks here tonight, but he is a big boy and used his size to his advantage.

[Louden]

Hey Louden, have to disagree with u.

If his intent was to get a takedown, he would have had to drag his toes and keep them in. There was no attempt at that.

I am glad he got to continue, Matt is definately a fun one to watch, this was just some bad judgement on his part.

What did he get the first unsportsmanlike point for. It looked as if he might have said a bad word to Mr. Brooks about the stall call. I was down by mat 1 at the time so i saw everything at a distance.

Yes, I believe Matt was very frustrated, and was losing his cool. He was outscoring Torgoley in a close match, but had already given up two penalty points. One from being too rough, another for saying something to Brooks-but don't assume it was a rude comment, I don't know what it was for but I thought he was saying something about his nose, which was stopped up as he kept wiping it. I believe he may have given up false start penalties as well, so he was either tied or down by one on Torgoley when the charge took place.
I do not think that Chandler meant to hurt Torgoley in anyway. His charge may not have been the wisest thing he had done, but he does that in all of his matches. If you watch, he even does that in the middle of the circle.
I do think that Matt's aggressiveness is both an advantage and a disadvantage. Once he gets more experience under his belt he will learn to control his overaggressiveness, just like Mike did. IMO, Chandler is some ways hurts his ability to win by being blindly aggressive. As MJ was saying to me in the stands, there sometimes is no purpose with Chandler's "go". He just walks out there and go's 100% for all 3 periods. Once he learns to control his "go", he will be much much better.

[Louden]

Northwest qualified 11, which is the most they've qualified in 20+ years, maybe even ever, since I don't know about what we did in the 80's. Congrats to Northwest for that. I would have liked to see Chandler and Porter in the finals, because I believe they both could be, but other than that not much better could have happened. Good luck at State!

[coltrane101]

Let us not forget about the Chandler vs. Vianney match. Mr. Brooks forgets to thow Chandler out of the tournament for his wreckless wrestling and then later in the wrestleback match will not give Vianney the takedown at the edge of the mat. This was a 1 point match. Things would have been different had he made the right call. I know Brooks is losing his hair, but didn't realize the eyesight was worse. Perhaps this man could use some glasses or a noose, either one would correct the problem... just let him decide which one to use. You know the old chant... a "rope, a tree, hang the referee" I admire Chandler's motor and constant non stop wrestling, but he made a foolish mistake and the problem should have been handled accordingly, instead Brooks rewards the kid with a free trip to Columbia. Good luck to all the wrestlers down in Columbia, even the ones that should not be there.

[robo]

Clearly based on the length of a mat 35 feet was an optical miscalculation, but there are at least six feet of mat to the floor and Torgoley was sitting on his rump on the hard wood floor. The distance covered was across two center mat lines, across the out of bounds line, and across the length of the mat to the floor. It may have been 25 to 30 feet instead of 35. To then counter with Torgoley being two feet out of bounds is an exaggeration to obfuscate, or is that to obiefuscate, the facts? To add to that of the Fox coach, there was no effort to drag feet for a takedown, not that it could have been done anyway by anyone less than about 7 feet tall anyway since Torgoley was seated on the hardwood floor off the mat anyway. The torpedo attack with the head to chops was clearly not with the intent to score a stretching take down.

While we are on the point of accuracy Torgoley was a Marquette wrestler and not a Lafayette wrestler anyway. I am not sure why the reaction came from the Lafayette folks and not the Marquette folks. The response from the NWHS fans was certainly not much more than a defensive position that fans often take to support their own side, right or wrong. Calling it jeers did not stretch the nature of the response though. I was surrounded by NWHS fans by the way, including one Louden Swain, de Master Bader himself, so I know what the response was. It never got ugly or uncontrolled. It would have been much different had Oak Park, Hellias, Oak Grove, or Platte County fans been involved. They could teach fan support, right or wrong, to both the NWHS and Marquette folks. By the way Louden Swain, a.k.a. de Master Bader, sat on his hands throughout this episode and by passivity standards I believe was acknowledging that the 25 foot “response time” “take down” effort was a fabrication.

I think the most telling motivation may have been that just stated, that the score was tied 7 to 7 when the two wrestlers went out of bounds moments before. As they were coming back into bounds the NWHS wrestler seemed to have words with Brooks the official. Brooks promptly signaled a penalty point against the NWHS wrestler making the score 7-8 against the NWHS wrestler. With very little time left on the clock, no doubt emotions were running very high. While I doubt the NWHS wrestler deliberately meant to take Torgoley completely out of action with the torpedo to the chops, I suspect the NWHS wrestler had somewhere in those frantic last moments lost contact with rational thought.

[robo]

All turned out as it should I would guess. Chandler is going to state and he was probably one of the best four wrestlers out of District One. He is exciting to watch regardless and all should get the opportunity. He will draw O’Donnell round one of the state tourney. All is cleansed in the world of Karma.

[robo]

Coltrane, I agree with you on that one as well. I never suspected Brooks of being pro NWHS but it did seem odd that they got the benefit of doubt both the night before and on that call with Vianney. I too thought it was a takedown. It was a very close judgment call but I thought it should have gone the other way than it did. I don’t think it was a bad call; just a judgment call that could have gone either way and the one chosen benefited Chandler. My gut said Brooks was going to exercise his judgment and correct for his failure to DQ the night before. He took the “making things right” charge off the table by making the judgment call that he did. NWHS should be very happy with Brooks as an official today.

[Louden]

Let us not forget about the Chandler vs. Vianney match. Mr. Brooks forgets to thow Chandler out of the tournament for his wreckless wrestling and then later in the wrestleback match will not give Vianney the takedown at the edge of the mat. This was a 1 point match. Things would have been different had he made the right call. I know Brooks is losing his hair, but didn't realize the eyesight was worse. Perhaps this man could use some glasses or a noose, either one would correct the problem... just let him decide which one to use. You know the old chant... a "rope, a tree, hang the referee" I admire Chandler's motor and constant non stop wrestling, but he made a foolish mistake and the problem should have been handled accordingly, instead Brooks rewards the kid with a free trip to Columbia. Good luck to all the wrestlers down in Columbia, even the ones that should not be there.

I thought Muenster had a takedown as well. That doesn't make the final score 6-7 instead of 6-5 though. If that happened, there could have been a reversal with nearfall by Chandler or Muenster could have turned CHandler. If that TD was awarded the entire match changes and anything we do here would be speculation. I will say that I thought that was a takedown as well, but based on that there is no way we can say that it would have been a Muenster win. It was a close match all of the way around.

[Louden]

Robo, I will have to disagree with you there. Torgoley was not 6 or 7 feet out of bounds, that would have been quite a shuck by Chandler if Torgoley ended up in the stands-which were 7 feet away from out of bounds. I stand by saying that Torgoley was about 2 feet out of bounds, and Chandler was at the center of the mat when he took his charge. I'd say in all, we are talking around a total of 10 feet AT BEST. I know you are grammar challenged, but I also must question your math. I don't think the entire wrestling mat is 30 feet, so we are still exagerrating to the extreme with anything saying the charge was over 15 feet.

That doesn't mean that I feel Chandler used good judgement, and his overaggressiveness could have cost him a trip to state, but I can assure you Chandler isn't out to hurt his opponant like that. He grew up with 2 other very aggressive brothers, and from what I hear, Matt got the worst of it growing up. Mike was very aggressive too, and I recall his first varsity match ever and he was ironically slamming another Marquette wrestlers face into the mat over and over again when the guy shot a low level single on him. They're just aggressive boys, and Mike also had his fair share of penalty calls for being too rough.

IMO Chandler was over-aggressive, but the whistle had not blown signifying a halt to action, and Chandler turned around after the shuck, saw Torgoley on his knees, and charged for the takedown. That's my take on it.

[robo]

I wish that grammar and distance judging were my greatest impairments. My math is pretty good usually. If the mat is 28 feet in diameter, and the infamous run began at the far side of the center mat we have at least 14 feet from center to out of bounds. Add three feet for the radius of the center mat to the center point and we have a 17 foot run to the out of bounds. There is at least five and I believe 6 feet of mat to the floor. That would make the distance 22 to 23 feet. Torgoley was sitting on the hard wood floor just in front of the medics table. Remember that he was driven into the chairs that surrounded the medics table. To have reached that point Torgoley had to be at least 6 feet out from where his rump was.

It is all past history now and I am glad Chandler is going. He is exciting to watch and refreshing because of the much greater number of wrestlers who look to be playing chess instead of wrestling. There is no doubt Chandler is there to rumble. In the name of fair warning I think all other wrestlers need to warned not to think because they are out of bounds and the actions seems to be over that they can take their eyes off of the charging bull that might be coming their way.

It was also not a shuck or not a standing still shuck. It was more like a scramble in which both wrestlers were spinning around. Both went flying in different directions, Chandler toward the center of the mat and Torgoley loosing his balance and tumbling out of bounds and winding up on his rump on the floor. Is was funny in retrospect because in the aggressive off mat actions that followed on other matches with other wrestlers afterwards, they all had to be judged fair play by the standards established in the Chandler vs. Torgoley match.

I also agree I don’t think that Chandler deliberately thought about hurting Torgoley. We were commenting how Ashley Hudson was such a smart wrestler. She always knows exactly what she is doing on the mat is seems; from riding, to set ups, to stalling, she is very deliberate in all that she does. Chandler on the other hand seems to disconnect thought when he engages the engines. Once he learns to engage engines and thought at the same time he may well be a very bright D-1 prospect.

[obnoxio]

I don’t think any of the fans were out of line

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

You didn't hear those coke-sniffing, prozac-junkie, jack-a$$, foil-heads from Laughalot booing the kids from Norfwest???? I did. Talk about bad sportsmenship. Holy Shiat! There's no booing in high school!

[obnoxio]

I hope Chandler brings the "torpedo" to state....

[Louden]

I hope Chandler brings the "torpedo" to state....

He might need it against Scotty O. There is more than one way to win a wrestling match! Okay... I am joking.

:lol: Wow you have almost as much class as the bald headed ignorant coaching staff from NW OBNOB. I guess the only ones allowed to voice their warranted displeasure with an obviously dangerous and classless move are the boozed up, toothless, redneck wife beaters from dopeville.

Once again the ignorance and second class status of a south county education shines through :P .

[Trey Anastasio]

I think distance is not as relevant as the fact that Torgoley wasnt even on the mat. He was off the edge of the mat. I can understand somebody trying to get a takedown on the edge of the mat when their opponent lets his guard down, but Chandler in no way tried to cover Torgoley. If he WAS trying to do that, he wouldnt have dropped his head. Clearly Chandler was hot and it got the best of him. Regardless of how nice a kid he may be, nice kids do dumb stuff sometimes, especially in the heat of the moment. FLAGRANT

[obnoxio]

mr. dumba$$, pull the coke spoon out of your nose for a second and try to see reality.

I see the truth is hurting you, it should.

The NW coaches weren't directing any thing at any KIDS like ALL YOUR FANS were! In fact, it was your administrators that started yelling at the nw coaches in the first place... ADMINISTRATORS!!!

So if that's how your administrators deal with things I shouldn't expect anything else from the likes of people like you.... CLASS ACT!

[Louden]

:lol: Wow you have almost as much class as the bald headed ignorant coaching staff from NW OBNOB. I guess the only ones allowed to voice their warranted displeasure with an obviously dangerous and classless move are the boozed up, toothless, redneck wife beaters from dopeville.

Once again the ignorance and second class status of a south county education shines through :P .

Hey, don't you start saying anything about Coach Wilhelm, who is one of the classiest and nicest guys I have ever met. If you have a problem about what you thought were Chandler’s intentions, that’s one thing, but there is no reason for you to come on here and start spouting off with your mouth about the coach, especially under a moniker “badaffus”. You look pretty tough don’t you “badaffus”? If you are going to be brave and start talking trash, why don’t you say who you are and what exactly your problem is?

Trey, if you believe Chandler intentionally tried to hurt Torgoley, that’s your prerogative, but just because the torpedo wasn’t the smartest thing for him to do, that’s just normal for Matt. He did something similar earlier in the year only he shot in deep out of bounds without colliding heads, and nothing was called. He also did similar things during some of his matches afterwards. If there is a good distance between him and his opponent, be charges in with his head down and ties up.
I do think that Chandler is too aggressive for his own good because he is blindly aggressive, but that control will come in time just like it did for Mike. I still don’t believe for a second that he intentionally tried to hurt Torgoley. He may be over-aggressive, but he is not stupid.

[fudge tunnel]

he is blindly aggressive

I don't think there's anything wrong w/ that. I wish more kids these days were more aggressive like that.............but not to the point of illegal moves or injuring someone.

I like to see a little shove from someone if their opponent is going out of bounds or isn't wrestling. This sport needs that type of attitude. The "Iowa/Brand's" mentality is what keeps otherwise boring matches interesting.

[TDC]

NW sent 12 in both 84 and 85. Good luck NW.

[Jay]

He may be over-aggressive, but he is not stupid
If you torpedo someone and get yourself DQ'd, ...well, if we were allowed to talk about the wrestlers, I would say 'that's stupid'. but I didn't see it, so I can only go by your commentary.

The idea is to win the match by either pinning your opponent or outscoring your opponent, not fly around like a loose cannon.

[Trey Anastasio]

Louden,

What else could dropping your head and charging do but hurt the kid? Again, there was no attempt to score. Torgoley was on his hands and knees, and even if charging was a good decision, all he had to do to score was cover Torgoley's hips. Again, thats IF charging from center mat was a good idea. I understand what you are saying about dropping your head to engage in a tie up, but that makes no sense in this case either because Torgoley was in no way facing Chandler (Granted-Torgoley needs to protect himself in that situation incase of a charge).

Again, Im not saying Chandler is a bad kid. I love his tenacity, and I agree that with experience he will control his aggression and focus it into some very exciting wrestling. But looking at the incident as it played out, as an official should do, I dont see this as any different than throwing a punch in the heat of the moment.

[obnoxio]

Mr dumba$$. you are clueless and your eight grade education is showing. Do you want to buy more meth???

[obnoxio]

if it'll kill you, then yes, I'm still cookin' it.

[obnoxio]

it's recess time, there are kids on the playground you can go boo...idiot

[Patriotfan]

Wow... the maturity level of some of these posts amazes me. Grown men... what do you get out of talking trash via internet -- nothing. Go ahead and post comments referring to the topic but as far as throwing insults every which way, is that necessary?

[DaveS]

Who's going to get the last word?

[obnoxio]

You're right Patriotfan....I started a new thread just for you...

[coachsdtr]

Wow - I have been reading this stuff all morning. Well, I was there on Friday night, didn't agree with the ref not DQing Chandler BUT ... it is over and done with. Move on. And, just for the record, I grew up in South County and Graduated from a South County High School. I AM NOT, NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN A HOOSIER. I am NOT a second class citizen to you or to anyone else in this state.

Shut up and get off this thread. Find something else to do. Maybe get a job.


GOOD LUCK TO ALL DISTRICT 1 WRESTLERS AT STATE!!

badaffus - obviously, no one ever taught you anything about sportsmanship.

[robo]

Wow…lots of convoluted issues, now we are playing Mickey Joe ball. Let’s see where to start….hmmm….Those guys from NWHS, the ones with the saved heads; they are in fact some very nice guys and certainly not responsible for the Chandler Torpedo.

Now…ahhh…yes….the south county thing; Obie lives in Parkway he is not a south county guy. The fat guy Obie referred to in an early post doing all the shouting that the violation should get a DQ for Chandler was moi. He just took it out on the Lafayette folks.

Yes, the Chandler Torpedo would have made the Brands proud, until he was DQ’ed, as he certainly would have been on any other mat and any other time in the world. I agree with the guy that said the running distance was less important that the fact that Torgoley was off the mat except for his feet, and he was sitting on his rump. I mean to say the guy took a major shot to the chops and it was a sucker punch. Not only did he get the hit from the torpedo but then his head slammed into the chairs behind him. So he took a double hit. The 25 foot run is only important to show that the act was not a re-shoot situation. It was the time it takes to reload the chambers of a weapon to empty it the second time into the fallen corpse and thereby taking away the self defense argument.

The only reason that I can figure that Brooks did not DQ the wrestler was that Brooks may have failed to signal the out of bounds and therefore he may have felt that he bore some of the guilt. Either way the victim here is Torgoley who was wrestling a very good match.

As Louden Swain, de Master Bader, says it is the way Chandler wrestles. Just be warned that if you are on the mat with him the charging bull does not stop just because of issues like being out of bounds, the action is over, or because reason would dictate it. Bring you matador mind set and a cape if you have it.

[Louden]

Ya right KNOBJOBO :lol: You and your bu++ buddy Louden are both a couple of whining babies. It's OK when your classless ignorant coaches scream and make stupid comments but just let some fan say something. You two are laughable what a couple of losers. JUST LIKE THE WILHEMS

The fans had every right to be OUTRAGED by the FLAGRANT misconduct that comes right from the coaching staff. Had Torgoley's eyesocket been broken maybe you would be happy then. Typical ignorant south county hoosiers. :twisted:

Someone is on their way to banville.

Hey, before you get banned, why don't you tell us who you are since you are brave enough to insult people safely behind your computer. Or better yet, show up at happy hour and introduce yourself.

You call us whiney babies, but you keep your identity secret and talk trash over the internet. I bet your momma is proud.

[Trey Anastasio]

Im gonna take a guess that "badafuss" is the same guy that came into Shilo trashtalking last summer at Mizzou Camp. Whoever that was that fish-hooked him, BRAVO :lol:

[fudge tunnel]

Someone is on their way to banville.



Shouldn't that be "Bandedville"...?

BTW - badaffussufus, we'll all be at Hooter's this Thursday nite in Columbia......so come on by.

[obnoxio]

Bad-one,,,,I'll buy you a coke.

[obnoxio]

Lowdown,,,Us old guys just finished our draft. I got:
Muery
Krischke
Warner
Darrin Green
Little Woffie
Joiner
Little Porter
Oeschner
Big Woffie
Koelling
Haynes
Big Porter
Rampley
Madison

You should join us next year.

[Louden]

Will do!

[robo]

Hey, Chandler took 4th and Torgoley defaulted to take 2nd, Who was that stiff that won the bracket?

[obnoxio]

Garcia from Parkway South.

He's pretty damn tough Robo..

[gbmem]

i think it was either the principal of marquette or lafyette that was yell ant the nw coaches who need to learn sporstmanship the child or the adult if you dont knowit by now i feel sorry for you grow up i wish the boys the best at state lets move forward

[obnoxio]

What did you just say?

[Louden]

What did you just say?

I don't know, but I got the impression they were on our side.

[DaveS]

i think it was either the principal of marquette or lafyette that was yell ant the nw coaches who need to learn sporstmanship the child or the adult if you dont knowit by now i feel sorry for you grow up i wish the boys the best at state lets move forward :? Did you miss Grammar class?

[robo]

If you had listened with your inner ear you would have known what she said. It came through very clear to my inner ear.

I knew it was Garcia and I have known he was good for a long time, just testing yo'all. It seemed that Garcia got lost in the whole mess and the only name getting mentioned was the torpedo that took 4th and will draw O'Donnell the first round at state. That will be the end of that; all comes clean in the Karmic wash cycle. A little Aikido might do wonders as well.

[robo]

he is blindly aggressive

I don't think there's anything wrong w/ that. I wish more kids these days were more aggressive like that.............but not to the point of illegal moves or injuring someone.

I like to see a little shove from someone if their opponent is going out of bounds or isn't wrestling. This sport needs that type of attitude. The "Iowa/Brand's" mentality is what keeps otherwise boring matches interesting.

Fudge, no matter what else you read or see us say, most of us said the "Torpedo" was worth the price of admission all by himself. He is just paying some dues right now. We will all look back, including the "Torpedo" and laugh at this some day.

[gbmem]

okay robo get a life enough is enough leave the kid alone.

[robo]

okay robo get a life enough is enough leave the kid alone.

What are you saying? I don't understand! My inner ear must be clogged.

[Beowulf]

i think your inner and outer ears are full of sh1t

[Louden]

Beowulf... any relation to Achilles?

[robo]

i think your inner and outer ears are full of sh1t

You might have something! I guess if you listen to enough of it that’s what happens!

[Warren Haynes]

Here u go OX

Final Team scores
1. Northwest 176
2. Fox 134.5
3. Lindbergh 128.5
4. Jackson 124
5. Laffayette 104.5
6. Seckman 88
7. Oakville 86
8. Marquette 85
9. Parkway West 81.5
10. Kirkwood 55
11. Vianney 53
12. Parkway South 51.5
13. Mehlville 39

[oxman]

Warren---I knew I could count on ya.... :)
Thanks....
8)

[Warren Haynes]

The Journal never fails