District 2, Underdogs

[Ronald887]

Anyone has any overlooked guys, that may shock districts.

[Ronald887]

Riverview's Ja'Marquis Harris(135)

[high hope]

When will the brackets be set and what time does everything begin at Hazelwood Central? :?

Except for D. Woods and M. Steyer the rest of the McCluer North team is relatively unknown. . .don't be surprised if eight or nine qualify and four or five finish first or second.

[RandyReversal]

I for one will be surpised.

[Jerry Langdon]

Lou has the brackets posted at:

http://www.hazelwoodcentralwrestling.net/

[legrider]

High Hope your name says it all from your last post. And might I say there is nothing wrong with that name as long as you're not a betting man! Good luck to the 8 or 9 and 4 and 5. If your hope comes true they might be Team Champs with that many placers in the finals! :D

[obnoxio]

What a joke...

These 4 classes are a complete joke to missouri high school wrestling.

Who ever voted for this mess should go look themselves in the mirror and say, "I'm a complete a$$-hat".

We have wrestlers who can now bye they're way into state.

Look at the 103lb bracket. Steyer can take 2 byes and then almost default his way to state.

The current system is a complete joke.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Yes, Styer's situation is laughable. If the 4 classes are going to remain, then go back to the 8-team district format with a must-win one match sectional. This will put urgency into at least one match. A wrestler would have to win at least one match before getting to state.

[J Ott]

High Hope - wrestling begins at 6 pm Friday and 10 am Saturday.

And yes, this four class thing has got to go. Or maybe we should just keep it, and stop keeping score. That way everyone's a winner and no one has to have his feelings hurt. Just a thought.

[obnoxio]

I lost count, but I think there were 73 byes issued for the district 2 tournament.

That's 4.5 brackets worth!!!!

What a joke.

[fudge tunnel]

I lost count, but I think there were 73 byes issued for the district 2 tournament.

That's 4.5 brackets worth!!!!

What a joke.

Well, there's automatically 42 1st round byes......because there's only 13 teams in that district in a 16 man bracket. 3 byes per weight times 14 weights = 42 byes. So that means there are 31 opens, which means just over 2 per weight class......which is about normal in the 4 class system.

[obnoxio]

I always hated math.

which is about normal in the 4 class system

A 4 class system is completely flawed and a completed joke.

[oxman]

Yes, Styer's situation is laughable. If the 4 classes are going to remain, then go back to the 8-team district format with a must-win one match sectional. This will put urgency into at least one match. A wrestler would have to win at least one match before getting to state.The former method of qualifying would have no effect on Styler's situation.
His weight class has only 7 entries. It is still possible that another one could scratch tonight...who knows...

By the old system, AT BEST, 7 wrestlers in a Sectional would be distributed with 3 in District-A and 4 in District-B,
[possibly 5 and 2, causing two forfeits].
However, with the OLD system, you would at least have to win a match in Districts.
Whatever....I'm boring myself....Geeeezzzzz..........
8)

[obnoxio]

you would at least have to win a match in Districts

...and two at sectionals.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

The former method of qualifying would have no effect on Styler's situation.



Oh, yes it would, Oxmaster. If there were only 7 wrestlers in the two combined districts, and assuming none of those 7 defaulted, then each wrestler would have to win at least one match. The one-time sectional match pitted 1st place from one district vs. 4th place from the other, 2nd vs. 3rd, and vice versa.

Lets say all 7 were in one district and no wrestlers were in the other - one of the seeded wrestlers would get a bye and automatically make it to the semis. In order to make the top 4 in district, he would have to win either the semi-final match or one wrestle-back match to make it to the 3rd place match. If he does that, he's in because nobody would hav a sectional match against the other district because there are no wrestlers in it.

A similar situation would happen if it were split 6-1 or 5-2.

If it were split 4-3, no wrestler would need to win a single match at district - they would all advance to sectionals. However, only the first place wrestler would get a bye at sectionals. BUT, if he took first in his district, he had to have won at least one match.

[oxman]

[quote]you would at least have to win a match in DistrictsI think RP was referring to the OLD OLD system.... 8)then go back to the 8-team district format with a must-win one match sectional. [/quote:079b8]So, in that OLD OLD system, with the one-match Sectional on Tuesday night, Styer's situation would be the the same. AT LEAST one guy would be getting a forfeit on Tuesday night, the match to qualify for State.... :)
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[RP-in-Nebraska]

So, in that OLD OLD system, with the one-match Sectional on Tuesday night, Styer's situation would be the the same

Wrong, he would have to win a match at either districts or sectionals, right? In order to have a bye for the sectional match, he would have to place first in his district.

[oxman]

However, with the OLD system, you would at least have to win a match in Districts.Hence, the previous quote.
8)

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Ox, are you trying to confuse me?

Well.....it's working!

RP's summary, in the OLD system of district tournaments with one match sectionals, in order for a wrestler to qualify for state when there are 7 wrestlers in a weight class for a given section, that wrestler must win at least one match.

(I think this is correct, however, I guess Styer will have to win at least one match here, won't he? I have a headache.)

[oxman]

Yes, RP, a wrestler would be required to win at least one match, in the OLD OLD system, hence MY quote to that effect.
["However, with the OLD system, you would at least have to win a match in Districts."]

However, the final qualifying tournament(formerly called Sectional) would not have the URGENT match most kids experienced. A 7-man weight class would have at least one forfeit to go to State.(maybe more)

My point was simply, that Styer would still not have to win a match in the final qualifying tourney, whether you have the one-match Sectional format, the District/Sectional format, or today's format.

Yes, again, he would have to win a match in District.
8)

[oxman]

Unless I am reading the 103 bracket incorrectly,
Steyer will have to win a match in the semis or in the wrestle-backs to qualify, anyway.
Same as before......Not positive.....
8)

[jhva]

Unfortunately it's all moot. The brackets were drawn wrong and will be redone by tonight

[oxman]

Unfortunately it's all moot. The brackets were drawn wrong and will be redone by tonightI love that word... :)
Even, if they redraw, SOMEONE will still have forfeits until the semis....
However, it appears that even in ANY 7-man bracket,
a wrestler does have to win at least one match in the semis or in the wrestle-backs...
8)

[RP-in-Nebraska]

However, it appears that even in ANY 7-man bracket,
a wrestler does have to win at least one match in the semis or in the wrestle-backs...
8)

Yes, I came to realize that shortly after my headache appeared! :?

[Bob Pollock]

[gacfanski]

seems like the 103 problem has more to do with opens than with the system. I suppose with any system, you have to assume there will be enough wrestlers to fill the brackets.