District 3 seeding

[Superfly54]

Does anyone know when the seeding meeting is for this district?

[obnoxio]

dunno...

[McLaughlin]

The meeting is Thursday at 7:00 p.m.

[Superfly54]

Thanks. What time does wrestling begin on Friday?

[obnoxio]

5:30

[Bob Pollock]

[bramabull]

man isringhausen might not make it to state. isnt he a two time sq? would he be better off going up to 152?

[datawhse]

man isringhausen might not make it to state. isnt he a two time sq? would he be better off going up to 152?

Any one of these kids might not make it with the exception of Weist and Oeschner. I think that there are 4-5 kids competing for 2 spots. There isn't any easy matches in this bracket. Guernsey, Dieckhaus, Fankhouser, Cox & Isringhausen are all within a few points of each other. It will be a barnburner with 5 of the top 7 ranked wrestlers in class 4 and two other HM's.

[JustAMom]

WOW, that is the most loaded weight class I have ever seen. :shock: It looks more like a loaded State bracket than a district bracket. When Bob is forecasting Weist to be seeded 3rd.... I about fell off my chair. Several of these kids are state champ quality. I wish I could go to all of these district tournaments. Hopefully, we will have posters that will do recaps. GO Brandon!!!!! Good Luck to all!

[BruinMommaBear]

Backing up to the times:

Wrestling starts at 6 PM on Friday

10 AM on Saturday....Finals at 5 pm

This is per Tim Thompson, JC Athletic Director.

[emkcus]

If both Oeschner and Guernsey are undefeated and they have no commons how could Oeshner as a returning state placer be given a lower seed? Guersney went 0-2 at state last year. Joplin don't rassle any competition. Weist is also a returning state placer. Oeschner#1 Weist #2 and Guernsy #3. That's only between those 3. There are some really tough other guys in that bracket.
Good luck to all!

[fudge tunnel]

Guersney was seeded higher because of the common opponent formula.

[emkcus]

I thought the seeding meeting was tonight?

[fudge tunnel]

ooops, I meant "would be"

:wink:

[Bob Pollock]

[Bob Pollock]

[datawhse]

Joplin don't rassle any competition.

42-0, Just to mention a few, Morris (Hazelwood Central) 11-5, Ream (Went-Holt) 16-6 , Fowler (platte county) 8-4,Fowler (platte county) 12-3,Landes (Carl Junction) 14-2, Bradshaw (Marshall) 9-4

I say you need to do some homework!
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Seeing those results only suggest that this weight class will be even more of a battle. I'll stick with oeschner and Weist as locks, but again the remaining two spots should be a hell of a battle. I saw the Howell kid pin and major 9-1 Morris at the Thrasher. I don't think he will be seeded, but could draw Guernsey in the first round.

[datawhse]

Are the Jeff City folks planning on posting the brackets for this district tonight since everyone else has at least a 2 hour drive home except Hickman and Rockbridge. This is by far the most geographically diverse district in class 4.

[Bob Pollock]

[bfankhauser]

I contacted Jeff City today and I won't be able to get on their network to post updates. I will try to post them Friday night. I will have a close watch on 145.

[eagle1]

This is by far the most geographically diverse district in class 4.

NO kidding,

Kansas City
Blue Springs South

St. CHarles
Fort Zumwalt South
Fort Zumwalt West
Francis Howell
Francis Howell Central

Springfield
Glendale
Kickapoo
Parkview
Joplin

Columbia
Hickman
Rock Bridge

Jefferson City

Troy Buchanan

It seems like they ought to mix it up a little once in a while. why not send some of the South county schools out west like Mehlville, Fox, Jackson, etc.

I I were the in charge of the school districts, I might be a little upset just at the additional travel expense, not to mention the 2-3 hour bus ride the students will have tomorrow night before they wrestle. Plus, every team in that district will have to get a hotel in Jeff City and stay over night with the exception of maybe the Columbia schools. I Know there is no perfect way to fix it with several large schools in larger cities that are "out there", but it seems something could be done to change things up a little.

[GaryM]

I think Joplin would probably be happy to have a 3 hour bus ride instead of the one the have now. It's a LONG ride from Joplin to Jeff City.

[eagle1]

Good Point, Joplin is 3 hours from everything Isn't it?

They ought to split into a couple of 2A schools to fix that problem.

[Tom Guernsey]

I just talked with our coach, from Joplin. He advised that they could not decide on who should be first seed at the 145 bracket. I guess it was like a five way tie, so they drew the name out of a hat. Frankhouser was seeded first. I dont know who all is over there on that half of the bracket with him for certain. On the other half the bracket they have Diehouse, Guernsey, Oschner and Weist, along with a few others.

[swmo fan]

I just talked with our coach, from Joplin. He advised that they could not decide on who should be first seed at the 145 bracket. I guess it was like a five way tie, so they drew the name out of a hat. Frankhouser was seeded first. I dont know who all is over there on that half of the bracket with him for certain. On the other half the bracket they have Diehouse, Guernsey, Oschner and Weist, along with a few others.

Please tell me you are joking!

2 Undefeated kids (one a state placer) and a 2x state finalist all on the same side of the bracket???

:evil:

[datawhse]

Is it Isringhausen as the #4 seed? he was the only ranked wrestler you didn't mention.

[Goodoldboy]

Does anyone know the seeds in district 3 at 152 or 160. also is Warner ok? He has had hard luck at state and I wish him well.

[Tom Guernsey]

Yes, Isring is the number four seed. He is on the other side of the bracket from Oschner, Weist, Deik and Jake G.

[Tom Guernsey]

I believe that the second round, assuming everyone wins the first round, will have Deik against Guern and Weist against Oschn. The next round will have the winners of those two matches going against each other, and the losers of those two matches will meet up on the back side, on the same half of the bracket and one of those will not be going to state. That is not even the finals.

[datawhse]

Tom,

Could you post the 145 bracket?

[BigTime44]

Are you statements a for sure fact? If so, that is insane!!!

[Jay]

Are you statements a for sure fact? If so, that is insane!!!
:smt101 yep.

[WESTONE]

anyone going to post :smt085

[BigTime44]

Where can we see D3 brackets?

[Bob Pollock]

[WESTONE]

I contacted Jeff City today and I won't be able to get on their network to post updates. I will try to post them Friday night. I will have a close watch on 145.

another reason to look for another location :?

[Bob Pollock]

[datawhse]

I'm puzzled as well Bob. I think Fankhouser is something like 28-12. I know he had a number of matches at 152 during the year. Does that factor in at all? I know he lost head-to-head to Dieckhaus (nov dual), Isringhausen (MO Duals), and Weist (FHC TRNY). I'm glad he is number 1 though. I am a Viking fan. He'll have to get by the Kickapoo wrestler in the Quarters and then Isringhausen to punch his ticket. If he loses to Izzy, who knows who he'll have to face in the do or die match. Either way, it will be interesting. It would be nice to actually see a bracket for this weight or any weight for that matter. It's the only district that hasn't been posted.

[Lou]

Bob, from my understanding if you had a five way tie, at any criteria(except the coin toss), in order for any wrestler to be seeded ahead of any of the other four they would need to have that criteria above all the other four. Since Oeschner and Guernsey are both undefeated they could not gain that 10% against each other and therefore could not meet the criteria above all four. I assume the rest were within the 10% of each other where they could not eleminate anyone. I think there needs to be a change in the whole process.

[OneShotOneKill]

has the brackets been posted yet, and where are they posted if it is?

[datawhse]

has the brackets been posted yet, and where are they posted if it is?

They have not been posted, and I doubt they will be! :smt013

[emkcus]

If the bracket is as you say this should be a message to MSHSAA that there seeding rules are archaic and not fair. Not even close to fair.

[emkcus]

Lets' think about it. These kids wrestled somewhere between 40-50 matches and we can make no determination of who gets seeded. So now let's flip a coin. F*&$*g brilliant!

[Tom Guernsey]

I agree , the way that this bracket came out of the seeding meeting, well, I have never seen anything like it. I do not know if all of the seeding steps were taken, I assume that they were. Maybe someone could look at this and take what ever steps are nessary to make certain that it does not happen again.
I do not have the complete bracket information at this time. I listed what coach had given me last night. I am stil here at home in Joplin. I will not be able to go. I have the flu.
My wife is on the way up there now. She will call me and give me the complete bracket information when she gets there. I will provide the information she gives me, if it has not already been posted.

[emkcus]

I'm sure everything went right. The State (MSHSAA) has a situation that is just not even close to being correct. Nothing against the kid from Howell but he is no way even close to #1. Maybe a #4. maybe!

[emkcus]

Wrestle the entire season to have coaches play "match me" to determine my future. Absolutely solid in thought. Let's all get drunk and play "texas hold em" winner gets 1st seed. Scientific in thought if your a moron! hey, Maybe Luke can get another class out of this?

[datawhse]

While I was thrilled to find out about Fankhouser's seed, I was thinking to myself... "How the hell did he get the #1 seed?". Based on the rankings, which mean absolutely nothing in the seeding meeting, he was the 6th or 7th best at that weight. I don't know. It doesn't make sense that he be seeded ahead of two undeafeted wrestlers and three others he lost to, but I wouldn't think all the coaches would have made the same mathematical errors when it came down to criteria.

Anyone know who the other top seeds were at other weights.

[oxman]

This is why the FINAL step in seeding, should be a vote of the coaches. That is the way it was in the OLD DAYS.... :)
I would put the integrity of the coaches above a random draw EVERY time.
I will bet the two undefeated guys would have been placed in opposite brackets, IF it were up to the coaches.
It certainly would not have been allowed to be as lopsided as it is now.
8)

[Superfly54]

So who are the top four seeds? From what I gather the seeds are:
1. Frankhouser (Howelll)
2. Wiest (FZW)
3. Oeschner (Troy)
4. Isringhausen (JC)

[fowler]

That would be what is called "COMMON SENSE".

[eagle1]

THis is the type of situation that could bring that type of rule back.

BUt. . . I'm sure the rule was change to random draw because of a similar situation that came about because of unscrupulous coaches.

I am with you Ox, I'm sure the coaches could have come up with a more reasonable bracket.

Good for the Howell coach for realizing he had the rules in his favor and made sure his kid was in the mix.

[oxman]

The MAIN flaw is requiring a wrestler to have the criteria over ALL others being considered.
In most cases, it SHOULD be who has criteria over the MOST wrestlers being considered, rather than ALL.
Just my old-school opinion..........
8)

[fudge tunnel]

I hope the right thing is done and the bracket is re-seeded before tonite.......otherwise, what a joke!

[oxman]

I hope the right thing is done and the bracket is re-seeded before tonite.......otherwise, what a joke!The seeding criteria is mandated by MSHSAA...It is standard and required.
Maybe one wrestler will scratch, possibly requiring the weight to be redrawn.
8)

[BigTime44]

AGREED

[DaveS]

Has anyone seen the bracket?

[Superfly54]

Once the seeding was completed in the 152 bracket you can not go back and change the seeding of any previous weight class unless a seeded wrestler scratches. What happened to the coaches vote in the seeding process? Has it been eliminated? If so, when was that change made?

[jcm_1227]

this is crazy!! I guess the best wrestlers are just going to have to prove it.

[Spartanfan56]

i just talked to my brother on the phone and he confirmed that the 145 bracket is really as f***** up as possible. Weist, Oeschner, Diekhause, and Guernsey are on the same side of the bracket. Dieckhause and Guernsey wrestle first round. I really dont understand how the heck this seeding needed to go to a draw out of the hat. in my humble opinion it should have went Weist, Oeschner, Guernsey, dieckhause/isringhausen. the number one seed is really the number 6 seed in my opinion. Weist, Diekhause, and Isringhausen all have beaten him. this current system is messed up.

Also Brandon Lococo has decided to go 160.

[Bob Pollock]

[Tom Guernsey]

I might have misunderstood coach last night, but I thought that he said that Guernsey ( undefeated ) would be wrestling Diekhaus, and Weist ( two time state finalist the past two years ) and Oeschner ( undefeated ) would also wrestle in the second round.

The winners would then meet the next round to see who would go onto the finals. The losers of those matches would meet each other on the back of the bracket, before the medal round, bumping one of them out.

These four are listed in the top six in the rankings in the state and they ended up on the same half of the bracket. Weist is #2, Oeschner is#3, Diekhaus is #4 and Guernsey was listed as #5, but is now #6. The #7 ranked wrestler Isringhausen, is on the other side of the bracket, seeded in the number four spot. Has this happened before?

[datawhse]

Unfortunately Tom, the rankings don't mean anything when it comes to seeding and no, i've never seen or heard of this before.

[Tom Guernsey]

Sorry that it has taken so long. My wife stopped by the motel first to check in before checking out the brackets. Here is what she gave me for the 145 bracket.

Frankhouser (Francis Howell)
Bye

Liles (Blue Springs)
Tom Williams (Parkview)

Drae Cox ( Hickman)
Andrew Vandiver (Kickapoo)

Kit Coyne ( Ft Zum South)
Trevor Isringhouser (Jeff City)

Brian Osechner ( Troy )
Bye

Ryan Glassetter ( Glendale )
Brandon Weist (Ft Zum West )

Bye
Diekhouse ( Francis Howell)

Kiffer Slate ( Rockbridge )
Guernsey ( Joplin )

Good Luck

[Troy Wrestling Fan]

Can any one give me any info on any of the other brackets?? i have been waiting for brackets since last night and am excited to see them. So any info on any brackets would be nice. Thanks

[datawhse]

i heard that qfinal losers cross bracket. Do semifinal losers do the same? Could someone explain?

[Superfly54]

quarter final losers cross bracket but the semi final losers drop straight down.

[swmo fan]

I just got an update on that crazy 145 bracket.

Quater Final Results:

Brandon Weist (Ft Zum West ) Dec. Brian Osechner ( Troy ) 6-5

Guernsey ( Joplin ) Dec. Diekhouse ( Francis Howell) 9-5

Weist will be facing Guernsey in the semi finals

[Bob Pollock]

[jcm_1227]

This is a crazy bracket but the better guys are proving it by winning just like guernsey