suger rashad evans

[thatoneguy]

anybody think he can beat lyoto machida?

i do :D

[Retired]

of course he has a chance. It could be a boring fight though because Rashad seems to be becoming a counter fighter and Lyoto Machida is the definition of a counter fighter. I think whoever loses patience first and gets sloppy on the attack will lose. This bout could very well go to decision. In that case I would favor the Champ.

[stillman]

Gotta go with Evans, no one has beaten him yet =D>

[Iceman97]

Technically, no Rashad doesn't have a loss, but if you look back to the UFC 73 fight between him and Tito Ortiz, Tito had him beat except for being penalized for grabbing the fence in the thrid round. So yes Evans still doesn't have a loss on his resume but he was outclassed by Ortiz in their fight. I agree with Retired that if it goes to the judges, it favors the champ but I'm going with Machida over Evans via tko round 3.

[Louden]

Gotta go with Evans, no one has beaten him yet =D>

Good lord aren't you stupid. Lyoto Machida is also undefeated. Therefore, your reason of going with Evans because "no one has beaten him yet" makes zero sense. Try thinking a little harder and come up with another reason for going with Evans, one that Machida does not also share. #-o :lol:

[Louden]

My take on this fight is that it is very intriguing. On one hand you have undefeated Rashad Evans, who always seems to find a way to win, even if he loses several rounds in the process. On the other hand you have Machida whom has been an indecipherable puzzle to everyone he has fought in the UFC. No one seems able to figure him out.

Looking deeper into the match up let's analyze Rashad Evans a bit. He hasn't really shown too many weaknesses, but he has shown some.
In the past Rashad has lost a round or more against opponants who could outwrestle him. He "lost" 2 rounds to Tito Ortiz and he lost a round to Sean Salmon. However the plus side is that Machida isn't a wrestler like the afore mentioned guys, so the chances of Lyoto repeating the advantage Salmon and Ortiz picked up over Rashad isn't as likely. Still, Machida did take Ortiz down in their fight, so it is possible that he could do so to Rashad. My analysis here is that this "weakness" of Rashads is not something that can be construed as a hole in his game. It may be a factor if Machida does get Rashad down, but it is not something you'd expect Machida to overpower Rashad with.

Another fight that comes to mind is Evan's fight with Sam Hoger. Personally, I felt Rashad lost that fight approx 3 years ago to Hoger. Sam employed a versatile standup technique with kicks that flustered Rashad's boxing game. This forced Rashad to resort to his wrestling background by employing takedowns en route to a lay & pray split decision win. From that fight we have seen that Rashad has evolved and improved his stand up game considerably based upon subsequent matches, so I doubt Machida would find Sugar's standup as lacking as Hoger found it, but he will maintain the advantage on the feet.
What most concerns me most regarding the Hoger fight was Rashad's inability to solve Sam's Jiu-Jitsu game. Unlike the striking Rashad has shown in more recent bouts that informed us he is indeed improving that aspect of the game, we have not seen much of his jitz game. This is a question mark. If Evans has not improved his jitz game much since the Hoger fight, then he will find any mat time with Machida to be a big chore.

Machida has faced a myriad group of fighters since his UFC debut. He has taken out wrestlers like David Heath and Tito Ortiz, he has beaten strikers like Soak-a-jew and Thiago Silva, and submission guys like Hoger. Lyoto hasn't shown his weaknesses at this point. He's very elusive and hard to hit on the feet, his takedown defense is very good, his Jitz game is at black belt level, and his endurance has not been exposed for any weaknesses. In every fight he has had in the UFC he has won every round. His biggest drawback is that he fights with a slow and measured counter-striking style which tends to lead him to boring decision wins more often than not. He seems to have an affinity to fighting a "perfect fight" without any mistakes over fighting an aggressive "eye of the tiger" style fight that fans find appealing.

On paper my guess is that Machida wins. I can see ways that he could beat Rashad. I can see Machida being elusive and counter-striking for a boring yet decisive decision win. I can see him more than surviving the few takedowns that Rashad might get by threatening the wrestler with his jitz game and scrambling back to his feet.

I think that Rashad Evans and Greg Jackson's team will come up with a strategy for victory, but it seems like it would be a difficult thing to do considering Machida has shown no weaknesses. Machida's camp is probably expecting a lot of takedown attempts so IMO I think that Jackson is instructing Rashad to fight a slow methodical counterstiking type of fight where he explodes when attacked with ill intentioned punches. Being passive will force Machida to come forward more than he has in the past and potentially opening up holes he has yet to show. It also could keep Machida thrown off a bit as he may be expecting a timed single leg rather than a timed counterstrike with KO intentions.

I will not bet money on this fight. I want Rashad to win very badly because I think Machida is boring and I think a Rashad/Rampage title fight next will be far more fan attractive than Machida/Rampage (which I think Machida wins). I am leaning towards Machida winning after my analysis, but this fight is too close and intriguing for me to feel confident enough to lay down the bread.

Or, this whole fight could go a completely different direction than my analysis. After all, I'm just some dude behind his computer. What do I know?

[stillman]

Gotta go with Evans, no one has beaten him yet =D>

Good lord aren't you stupid. Lyoto Machida is also undefeated. Therefore, your reason of going with Evans because "no one has beaten him yet" makes zero sense. Try thinking a little harder and come up with another reason for going with Evans, one that Machida does not also share. #-o :lol:

Hmmmm......let me think, because Evans is the undefeated Champion and Machida is the undefeated challenger :roll:

The question was does anyone think Evans can beat Machida? I answered it. Writing a biography that no one is going to read is a waste of time for both the reader and the writer.

The name calling is getting a little old Louden, could you try to communicate without it?

[Iceman97]

Well after reading your biography that I guess no one is supposed to have read, I agree with the analysis if the dude behind his computer. Machida wins in an extremely boring fight between two counter-punchers. If Machida does take the victory via decision will it have the possibility of being worse to watch then the Anderson Silva- Thales Leites fight?

[thatoneguy]

of course he has a chance. It could be a boring fight though because Rashad seems to be becoming a counter fighter and Lyoto Machida is the definition of a counter fighter. I think whoever loses patience first and gets sloppy on the attack will lose. This bout could very well go to decision. In that case I would favor the Champ.

chuck liddell is a counter fighter, rashad knocked him out cold
Forest griffin inflicts damage and fights every fight like there is 10 seconds left in it so of course rashads gameplan is to counter him look what happen rashad got a takedown and knocked him out, ive said this before rashad gets better with every fight he gets stronger faster throws harder. just look who he trains with the dean of mean and georges st pierre. i think this fight will end in a rashad evans technical knock out in round 3 :-D

[Louden]

just look who he trains with the dean of mean and georges st pierre. i think this fight will end in a rashad evans technical knock out in round 3 :-D

I pray to the Giant Spaghetti Monster that you are right.

[Louden]

Hmmmm......let me think, because Evans is the undefeated Champion and Machida is the undefeated challenger :roll:

Horrible reasoning yet again. This means that anytime there are two undefeated fighters, one of which being the champion, the defender automatically loses. I mean, why even fight then? :smt015

The question was does anyone think Evans can beat Machida? I answered it.

You offered your answer and your reasoning behind it, and your reasoning is pretty terrible. :smt102 #-o

Writing a biography that no one is going to read is a waste of time for both the reader and the writer.

Looks like someone read it. :roll: :lol: YOU FAIL

The name calling is getting a little old Louden, could you try to communicate without it?

Why? I thought we were having fun. :toimonster:

[Retired]

say what?

[Retired]

of course he has a chance. It could be a boring fight though because Rashad seems to be becoming a counter fighter and Lyoto Machida is the definition of a counter fighter. I think whoever loses patience first and gets sloppy on the attack will lose. This bout could very well go to decision. In that case I would favor the Champ.

chuck liddell is a counter fighter, rashad knocked him out cold
Forest griffin inflicts damage and fights every fight like there is 10 seconds left in it so of course rashads gameplan is to counter him look what happen rashad got a takedown and knocked him out, ive said this before rashad gets better with every fight he gets stronger faster throws harder. just look who he trains with the dean of mean and georges st pierre. i think this fight will end in a rashad evans technical knock out in round 3 :-D


Chuck Liddell chased Rasah Evans that whole fight (the few minutes it lasted). Rashad countered his attack and weathered his storm and knocked him out. I dont understand if you are arguing me or what. I dont see the point of your statement?

[thatoneguy]

of course he has a chance. It could be a boring fight though because Rashad seems to be becoming a counter fighter and Lyoto Machida is the definition of a counter fighter. I think whoever loses patience first and gets sloppy on the attack will lose. This bout could very well go to decision. In that case I would favor the Champ.

chuck liddell is a counter fighter, rashad knocked him out cold
Forest griffin inflicts damage and fights every fight like there is 10 seconds left in it so of course rashads gameplan is to counter him look what happen rashad got a takedown and knocked him out, ive said this before rashad gets better with every fight he gets stronger faster throws harder. just look who he trains with the dean of mean and georges st pierre. i think this fight will end in a rashad evans technical knock out in round 3 :-D


Chuck Liddell chased Rasah Evans that whole fight (the few minutes it lasted). Rashad countered his attack and weathered his storm and knocked him out. I dont understand if you are arguing me or what. I dont see the point of your statement?

ya i see what your sayin, im not tryin to argue your point im just tryin to drill in my head why rashad will win :D

[stillman]

Evans should get the benefit of the doubt because he IS the undefeated champion. He has earned it. =D>

IF Machida beats him then he will be the undefeated champion.

Seems like a pretty simple concept. :roll: Didn't need 10,000 words to explain it.

[Retired]

And the reward for winning is five rounds with Rampage.

[Clark_W_Griswald]

I'm pulling for Rashad on this one. I'm sure Jackson can come up w/ a game plan. Hopefully they wont chase lyota around the ring, but he'll need to ground and pound to win.

[Clark_W_Griswald]

I'm pulling for Rashad on this one. I'm sure Jackson can come up w/ a game plan. Hopefully they wont chase lyota around the ring, but he'll need to ground and pound to win.

[Louden]

Evans should get the benefit of the doubt because he IS the undefeated champion. He has earned it. =D>

IF Machida beats him then he will be the undefeated champion.

Seems like a pretty simple concept. :roll: Didn't need 10,000 words to explain it.

Apparently you haven't noticed that I am just busting your chops.

[thatoneguy]

And the reward for winning is five rounds with Rampage.

rashad wouldnt need five rounds to beatm rampage :)

[thatoneguy]

i hope rashad beats machida.. i really wanna see a rampage, rashad fight.

dear lord please help rashad evans knock lyoto machida out

amen :-D

[thatoneguy]

ok so rashad lost. kinda a boring fight. i was defintly sad. but rashad will be back

[No Surrender]

Rashad needs to remember that wrestling got him where he is today, not boxing. As soon as he does that he will be ok.

[thatoneguy]

Rashad needs to remember that wrestling got him where he is today, not boxing. As soon as he does that he will be ok.

even though is boxing is good, i completley agree with you, i wanted him to take machida down. i hope rampage can stop machida