Liberty Tournament

[dirty bird]

Any info on the Liberty Tournament this weekend? Who will be there?

[MG_Grievous]

Collins (Ranked 1st, Returning State Champ, Class 3, Nixa)

vs

Winn (Ranked 1st, Returning State Champ, Class 4, Liberty)


How will this turn out?

[cementMixer]

13-4 Winn.

[MG_Grievous]

13 points is too high. Collins' main strength is his defense.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

At the pre-season tourney (name escapes me) I think Winn won 8-4, is that correct?

[MG_Grievous]

At the pre-season tourney (name escapes me)

I'm glad I can always count on you.

[fudge tunnel]

Collins (Ranked 1st, Class 3, Nixa)

vs

Winn (Ranked 1st, Class 4, Liberty)


How wil this turn out?

Collins by major.......

[RP-in-Nebraska]

At the pre-season tourney (name escapes me)

I'm glad I can always count on you.

Fawl Brawl. You happy now!

[MG_Grievous]

You happy now!

No. Give me a link for the results.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

http://wrestling.bluechipathletic.com/w ... ll%20brawl (http://wrestling.bluechipathletic.com/wrestling/Scripts/default.asp?mopage=fall%20brawl)

This is where it was but all of the info has been removed.

[MG_Grievous]

Have any returning state champs met this year?

[fudge tunnel]

Have any returning state champs met this year?

Brian Graham & Shane Nay 2 days ago, and earlier this year at LSX

others that I can think of:
Holloway/Barron @ Marceline Tournament
St Louis/O'Donnell @ LSX
O'Donnell/Carr @ Winnetonka

[jheslop]

http://www.fallbrawl.bluechipathletic.com

[Someone]

These are the teams I have found that will be there.

Belton

Cape Central

Fort Zumwalt South

Nixa

Seckman

Plattsburg

Rockhurst

Park Hill South

Liberty

[dirty bird]

Thanks for the info. Any more is appreciated.

If someone can score 13 points on Collins, I'd like to be there to see it, because it would be a shocker. I've seen almost every match of his this season and he started breathing hard on a couple---maybe.

[mat wench]

Dirty Bird,
you wont be able to blink or you will miss at least one or two takedowns Winn will score on Collins. I'm not taking ANYTHING away from Collins. Winn is the best wrestler in the state of Missouri at this time. He is outstanding on his feet.

[stewie]

I would like to see Wolk vs Winn.. Winn is great on his feet. Wolk is great on the mat...

Winn over Collins 12-4

[fudge tunnel]

Wolk is great on the mat...

It's hard to ride a 4'5", 189 lbr.... :lol:

I'll go Collins over Winn, 15-6. I don't Winn can go w/ Collins on his feet.

[cementMixer]

Collins by fall in 2nd periord

OR

Collins Mdec Winn: 18-4

[fudge tunnel]

I don't know if Collins is going to pin him, but I do think Winn is in for a big shock....

[toungey]

I think Winn pukes before the match because he doesn't want to wrestle Collins causing Winn to default.

[j. carter]

Wow!!!! Collins by major???? Winn is a great wrestler and there is no one in the state that will major him, in my opinion. Trever is excited for the opportunity to compete against someone of Winn's caliber and it will be great in helping him prepare for the state tournament. After seeing Deron wrestle, I am sure that it will be a great match. Let's not forget that their will be some other great wrestlers in this weight class that will lead to some exciting matches.

[MG_Grievous]

Winn over Collins, 6-3.




I'll throw this out there, just to see the responses:

Winn has the advantage before they even step on the mat.

When you're an elite MO wrestler, it's hard to get any good matches at tournaments such as Lexington, Lebanon, Monett, and McDonald County; compared to Liberty's Park Hill, Raytown South, Winnetonka, and Marquette Tournaments. Jake Guthier (PC) has been the only one worthy of a match this year for Collins. Plus, whenever you get to wrestle ranked wrestlers every day in practice [Liberty: (152, Jason Rodick, HM)(160, Michael Forrest, HM)(171, Brett Sanders, 6th)(215, Mitch Barnett, 5th)(275, Andrew Beile, HM)], it's going to make you better.

With that said: I predict Collins will start out slow, then make his way back into the match, but Winn will hold him off for the victory.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

I would guess that Collins can keep it closer than anybody Winn will wrestle this year (in Missouri high schools).

Does anybody know if either Winn or Collins will meet up with Wolk this year?

[MG_Grievous]

Does anybody know if either Winn or Collins will meet up with Wolk this year?

They won't.

[stewie]

I think Wolk would major Collins.

[MG_Grievous]

I think Wolk would major Collins.

Hmmm.....so that means you really think Collins would win.

[stewie]

I'm not following your sarcasm....No! I do not think Collins would win. Against Wolk or Winn. In fact I think Wolk against Winn would be a great match...Tanner doesn't get to wrestle in the bigger tournaments thru the season . So there for he gets over looked.
After watching him at Oakville and at Semo conference,I can see him going thru state without being scored on.
No disrespect to Collins at all, he is great and has to be the class 3 favorite.

[MG_Grievous]

I'm not following your sarcasm....



I was just following yours:

That was sarcasm..... Stewie is all about sarcasm....

http://missouriwrestling.com/forum/view ... ght=#59439 (http://missouriwrestling.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=59439&highlight=#59439)

[stewie]

Thanks, sometimes I don't follow my own....

[j. carter]

Trever has had a hard time finding quality matches so far this year, that is why we are heading to Liberty. I also think that Wolk versus either Collins or Winn would be a great match. No predictions coming from here on who would win any of these matches. They are all matches that I would love to see. Hopefully this weekend, Trever will make his way into the finals and get the opportunity to see one of great ones.

[Retired]

Jake Guthier (PC) has been the only one worthy of a match this year for Collins. Plus, whenever you get to wrestle ranked wrestlers every day in practice [Liberty: (152, Jason Rodick, HM)(160, Michael Forrest, HM)(171, Brett Sanders, 6th)(215, Mitch Barnett, 5th)(275, Andrew Beile, HM)], it's going to make you better.


Since when does wrestling a bunch of first year varsity wrestlers make you any better. I say Collins will Maj. Winn. 13-2

[TooBigOfAGutToWrench]

I say Collins will Maj. Winn. 13-2[/quote]

No way, im gonna go out on a limb and say TechPin Collins wins.

[MG_Grievous]

Since when does wrestling a bunch of first year varsity wrestlers make you any better.

Because they are ranked. :roll:

So you base quality competition on the number of years one has wrestled?

Go bait somewhere else.


:smt075

[fowler]

Just to set the facts straight,,,Winn wrestled Henson at Parkhill Duals not Jake Guthier.

[MG_Grievous]

Just to set the facts straight,,,Winn wrestled Henson at Parkhill Duals not Jake Guthier.

Collins wrestled Jake, as I put in my previous post.

[Goon]

This is a joke right ! Collins making a show with Winn. Winn will do as he all ways dose 10 to 12 take downs only points Collins will get is what is given to him by Winn, And if Collins shows any chance of doing anything Winn will pin him in the 1st period. Not wanting to put Collins down but Winn is just that Outstanding even Oak Park hates going against Winn.
:roll: :lol: :-D :oops: :shock:

[Mid-South Wrangler]

And if Collins shows any chance of doing anything Winn will pin him in the 1st period.

Winn has no interest in pinning anybody, but I say he will win this match.

[Gobbey]

Winn is just that Outstanding even Oak Park hates going against Winn.

Well not so sure Oakpark would want to wrestle Collins either he beat Gleason 2 years ago Haynes can't get past Bowman yet. And Jeff Bowman has'nt beat Winn. Not sure how Oakpark even plays into this, They may be the best in the land in several weight classes but not at 189.

[Who?]

If Collins is looking for quality matches he could have bumped up and wrestled Monett's 215. That might have been an interesting match.

[j. carter]

Monett's 215, Dakota Greenhaw, is an outstanding wrestler and would provide a great match for Collins or anyone else for that matter. He is big strong and physical. You can blame the coach for missing that one. I just did not think of it until we were there (at the dual) and did not feel as though it was a good match up at that point.

[fowler]

oops,,,,miss understoood the statement there MG,,,,dont get excited. :prayer: [/quote]

[GPCfan]

you all have got to be kidding me... nobody is going to beat deron... plain and simple... nobody

[Matt Burnz]

Fudge, I'm waiting for the punchline.

"Collins by a major"
"Winn can't go with Collins on his feet."

These are statements a lunatic would make. Collins IS a great wrestler, by mere mortal standards, but Deron is... well Deron. He's a freak of nature, and he doesn't just beat other good wrestlers, he devastates them. I've seen both wrestle up close and personal, and I'm not sure what some of you have been watching. I know the argument people will make about Collins' defense, his length, etc. All that will go by the wayside when the Winn Express runs right through him- about 8 times. It may end up a decision, but it will not be close. My prediction: Fudge eats major crow.

Winn, 11-4.

And please, don't bring Wolk into this. Did he not get enough of the Moore fiasco last year?

[Fist of Love]

I have a feeling Fudge's tongue is firmly planted in his cheek.

[Matt Burnz]

If that was sarcasm, I only have one thing to say:

D'oh!

got me :oops:

[fudge tunnel]

I have a feeling Fudge's tongue is firmly planted in his cheek.

No, not really. I've seen Collins a few times this year, and I don't think Winn can keep up w/ his pace.

[Matt Burnz]

Deron does not keep up with others’ pace. He sets the pace. Deron does not sleep. He waits. Deron is so fast he can touch MC Hammer. His chief export is the takedown. He has two speeds: tech. fall and pin. Scientists use two different units of measure for speed: the speed of light and the speed of Deron. He once fought Chuck Norris to a draw. (And we all know how impressive that is.)

Still, Fudge, I think you need to push back from the computer a while. There must be some fumes radiating from it that are affecting your judgment. Nothing against Collins, he’s become a great wrestler, in spite of his lack of coaching :wink: , and I hope this is a close match, but I just don’t think it will be.

[Louden]

Deron does not keep up with others’ pace. He sets the pace. Deron does not sleep. He waits. Deron is so fast he can touch MC Hammer. His chief export is the takedown. He has two speeds: tech. fall and pin. Scientists use two different units of measure for speed: the speed of light and the speed of Deron. He once fought Chuck Norris to a draw. (And we all know how impressive that is.)

Still, Fudge, I think you need to push back from the computer a while. There must be some fumes radiating from it that are affecting your judgment. Nothing against Collins, he’s become a great wrestler, in spite of his lack of coaching :wink: , and I hope this is a close match, but I just don’t think it will be.

This post reminds me of the "Josh Shrum Storms the Whitehouse" posts back in 2001...

Deron does not keep up with others’ pace. He sets the pace. Deron does not sleep. He waits. Deron is so fast he can touch MC Hammer. His chief export is the takedown. He has two speeds: tech. fall and pin. Scientists use two different units of measure for speed: the speed of light and the speed of Deron. He once fought Chuck Norris to a draw. (And we all know how impressive that is.)

Still, Fudge, I think you need to push back from the computer a while. There must be some fumes radiating from it that are affecting your judgment. Nothing against Collins, he’s become a great wrestler, in spite of his lack of coaching :wink: , and I hope this is a close match, but I just don’t think it will be.

I call BS. No one fights Chuck Norris to a draw. Well no one, except maybe Ditka.

[Matt Burnz]

Deron tied Ditka, too!

[fudge tunnel]

Ditka 13 - Winn 4

[T_Cat]

any brackets yet?

[MG_Grievous]

any brackets yet?

What time does it start today?

[T_Cat]

Wrestling starts @ 4:30

[Someone]

Here you guys have winn or collins winning this tournament and I had my son winning.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Maybe I missed it but who is your son?

[meatwad]

Here you guys have winn or collins winning this tournament and I had my son winning.

no offense, but unless you're Deron's mom or TDCDad's alter-ego....you son's not winning this tournament.

[MG_Grievous]

Ouch.

[Someone]

Someone wrote:
Here you guys have winn or collins winning this tournament and I had my son winning.


no offense, but unless you're Deron's mom or TDCDad's alter-ego....you son's not winning this tournament.


Boy, you guys are really mean too.

[obnoxio]

Boy, you guys are really mean too.

I'm not.

[wise one]

I'm wanting to know what time the semis and the finals start. Would someone please inform me on this?

[Grant Leighty]

Semi start at 2:00. I believe they wrestle the 9th, 7th, and 5th place matches after the semis. Then the 1st and 3rd place matches in the big gym. Sorry I don't know the times of the later round, but they said the semis start at 2:00.
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[wise one]

Who won 189, Winn rode him out through the double overtime and the other kids hand got raised. So i wasnt sure what the verdict was. Heard it coulda been a last second clasping call... who knows??

[wardy]

Winn won but there was some heated debate afterward about wether or not Winn clasped. It was a great match.

[Matt Burnz]

All that will go by the wayside when the Winn Express runs right through him- about 8 times. It may end up a decision, but it will not be close. My prediction: Fudge eats major crow.

Winn, 11-4.


What a genius, huh?

This was a great battle, nothing like many of us experts thought it would be. Fudge still eats crow, but it's a crowded table. Pass the salt.

Great job to both wrestlers. It was worth the price of admission =D>

[Greg]

Does anyone have the results for 119? Did Velliquette/Nixa and Lowe/Liberty wrestle, and if so what was the result? Thanks in advance.

[fudge tunnel]

Fudge still eats crow

oh, I eat that stuff all the time.........but not in this case. Come on, Mr. Burnz.....are you new to reading my posts....more often than not typed w/ the utmost derision and cynicism.

[TnT]

deron won the match but did not look like the deron winn everyone is used to seeing. didnt really get in his rhythm but still it was a great match collins came to wrestle and wrestled a tough match. there were some calls on the edge that maybe should have been called fleeing on collins but anyways great match.

[Matt Burnz]

oh, I eat that stuff all the time.........but not in this case. Come on, Mr. Burnz.....are you new to reading my posts....more often than not typed w/ the utmost derision and cynicism.

Oh, I might have read a couple of your 2600+ posts. Entertaining stuff. But sometimes sarcasm doesn't make it through the computer.

I'm just calling you out in good fun. (I already called myself out) Either your predictions were to be believed, and you thought Collins would major Winn, or you were being "derisive" towards Collins' chances, and you thought Deron would blow him out.

Either way, pick up a fork and join in the feast.

[khsfan]

The Collins/Winn match was worth the price of admission. Great match that could have gone either way. Both wrestled great with several outstanding offensive moves countered by great defensive moves. Both of these wrestlers should be proud. The entire gym was riveted the whole match.

I think Villequette majored Lowe for 3rd.

There were several really good finals matches.

[Greg]

Thanks khsfan

[khsfan]

Thanks khsfan

No problem. 119 was pretty tough. Villeqette lost in dbl OT to Watson (Park Hill South) and then lost 4-2 to Lincoln East (undefeated). Lincoln East then beat Watson in a close match for 1st.

[khsfan]

I don't remember his name, but he is from Lincoln East HS in Nebraska.

[fudge tunnel]

Lincoln East

That's a cool name.........where's he from?

[doesitmatter]

I don't remember his name, but he is from Lincoln East HS in Nebraska.

I think it was something like etherton. Go to the NSAA website if you want to know. He took 3rd last year at 103

[doesitmatter]

deron won the match but did not look like the deron winn everyone is used to seeing. didnt really get in his rhythm but still it was a great match collins came to wrestle and wrestled a tough match. there were some calls on the edge that maybe should have been called fleeing on collins but anyways great match.


I think the match was officiated perfectly. The refs let the wrestlers decide it, instead of making themselves the show. Wish I could say that for the rest of the tournament.

[T.D.C.Dad]

I thought the Refs did An exellent job Also. Some refs would of called stalling on both wrestlers it was a defensive battle. Did'nt see a clasp so I can't comment on that . Congrats to Deron for the win and wrestling a very smart match. Trever can't wait for a rematch

[Bob Pollock]

[Mother Eagle]

Winn/Collins match was excellent- Trevor surprised all the Deron Fans in that area I do believe. Too Bad there was some bad sportsmanship from Deron after the match. People remember those things! :(

[C4D4]

People remember those things! :(

Mother Eagle is perfect I suppose! Never regrets anything.

[wardy]

I was matside and didnt witness any poor sportsmanship. Can you elaborate?

[fudge tunnel]

People in southern MO, it appears, are used to wrestlers hugging/kissing/giving each others roses/etc after their matches.

[Notorious]

Can someone post details of the match, how each wrestler scored, that kind of stuff, I was not lucky enough to watch this match but am very interested as to how it came out. Thanks

[MG_Grievous]

Too Bad there was some bad sportsmanship from Deron after the match.

What happened? Fill us in.

[mulefan]

Team Scores? Top four placers at each weight?

[CoachW]

No score after the first period.

Collins chose down after winning the flip. Winn cut Collins at the start of the 2nd period. Collins 1, Winn 0 at the end of the 2nd.

Winn chose down to start the 3rd and escaped in about 8 seconds. Collins 1, Winn 1 at the end of the 3rd.

No one scored during the first overtime.

Collins chooses down to start the 2ot. Winn rode him out to win the match.

Deron Winn deserved the Wrestler of the Tournament award after his performance this weekend.

[Bob Pollock]

[oxman]

Does anyone have TEAM results from the Liberty Tournament??
Thanks.....
8)

[CoachW]

Top 5 off the top of my head

1) Liberty
2) Lincoln East, Nebraska
3) Nixa
4) Seckman
5) Park Hill South

[MG_Grievous]

No score after the first period.

Collins chose down after winning the flip. Winn cut Collins at the start of the 2nd period. Collins 1, Winn 0 at the end of the 2nd.

Winn chose down to start the 3rd and escaped in about 8 seconds. Collins 1, Winn 1 at the end of the 3rd.

No one scored during the first overtime.

Collins chooses down to start the 2ot. Winn rode him out to win the match.

Thanks for the recap. I would have loved to see it.

[TnT]

firat place off the top of my head

103-Beggs Lib WBF ?
112-Denson Lib Mdec Tommy Wilson Plat 11-2
119-Etherton Lincoln East dec Watson PHS
125-Kuhn PHS dec. ?
130-Harbord Plat dec?
135-Jimmy Pepper Seck dec Ryan Farwell 3-1
140- McClain Plat dec?
145- ?
152- Zumwalt South dec. Rodick Lib 5-2
160- ?
171- ?
189-Winn Lib dec Collins Nixa 2-1 2OT
215- Barnett Lib WBF Belton
275- Beile Lib WBF Belton

[Kippy]

103 Jake Beggs Liberty tech falled Ben Peterson Lincoln East
125 Kris Kuhn Park Hill South dec Trevor Donovan Belton 1-0
130 Clint Harbord Plattsburg dec Chris Eime Seckman 4-0
140 Kenzire McClain Plattsburg dec Beau Pickering Nixa 4-0
145 Jared Mar Lincoln East dec Luke Valleroy Seckman 8-6
160 Steve Gawrick Lincoln East mdec David Benson Belton 12-0

Team scores

Liberty 288
Lincoln East 281.5
Nixa 218.5
Seckman 208
Park Hill South 190
Belton 182.5
Plattsburg 172.5
Fort Zumwalt South 117.5
Rockhurst 106.5
Cape Central 98.5

Who was voted outstanding wrestler? It seems like last year it was an Etherton that was the OW, is this the same Etherton that won 119?

[khsfan]

Deron Winn won OW and it was well deserved.

[Kippy]

Thanks! I figured it would be whoever won 189 but I didn't hear it announced.

Also at 171 Chris Dowdy Nixa pinned Mark Cain Seckman

[RIPPER]

The finals match at 160 Gawrick vs Benson was 7-2 not 12-0

[Kippy]

The score sheets I saw showed 12-0 at 160 and the results listed on the results page say 12-0. I watched the match and I know it was a major decision.