State Predictions

[underrated east]

I know it is still early but now with the two biggest tournaments in the season over does anyone have any good state predictions.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

You may not have heard of them, but I'd look for Oak Park to win it. :-D

[fanatic]

The battle will be most likely for 3rd. No doubt Oak Park wins by a landslide in the team scores. Can anyone challenge FZW for 2nd place?

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Maybe Blue Springs.

Maybe Northwest.

[fudge tunnel]

maybe Francis Howell Central....

[Bob Pollock]

[PorkChop]

Just curious how many wrestlers does anyone think Northwest and Howell C. will place and at what weights? How many placers will it take to take home a 3rd or 4th place trophy? I dont see to many teams with more than 2 state placers on it. Except Oak Park and FZW.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Gagliano will be back and I say at 135. That will make it tough for Blue Springs or Francis Howell Central to catch them. Last time I ran the numbers from the rankings, here is how it came out:
205 Oak Park Total
122 Ft. Zumwalt West Total
83 Francis Howell Central Total
81 Northwest Total
72 Blue Springs Total
I awarded the minimum points for each medal based on their current rank and then gave each team one point for every qualifier using the district ranks. Two years ago the average bonus points scored at each medal was 3, FYI. Since I ran these numbers a few things have changed. Rankings will get updated today or tomorrow, I will re-run them. One more thing, I was very impressed with Blue Springs this weekend. Good show Wildcats.

What if you ran the numbers based on the Winnetonka performances? Neely, Bowman, and Bradley all have the potential to be a state champ (even if it sounds a bit far-fetched, they all showed it this weekend). Bolin might not be a champ. Although I think FZW is a clear choice for second, it could get interesting.

[Hammer165]

I thought BS had a great weekend aswell. Clearnence Neely will be moving up in the rankings. He beat the previously undefeated Kendall Burke and beat Koeling (spelling???) in the finals. It seems like hag always gets his kids to peak at the right time.

[Bob Pollock]

[sar231]

top 6 predictions anyone?

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Here's mine.

1. Oak Park
2. Ft. Zumwalt West
3. Blue Springs
4. Northwest
5. Francis Howell Central
6. Jefferson City

[Bob Pollock]

[underrated east]

I think there is no way OP will scor ethat many points and I also think that FZW will score quite a bit more than you have. When I started this topic I was talking more individual state champs and the matchups we could see in the semis and finals.

[Bob Pollock]

[BigTime44]

state champ predictions
103:Bradley
112:Krischke
119:Warner
125:Bolin
130:Garcia
135:Pepper
140:Bailey
145:Weist
152:Wolfrum
160:Lococo
171:Haynes
189:Winn
215:Vilda
275:Crossett
team
1:Oak Park
2:FZW
3:Blue Springs
4:Northwest

[Bob Pollock]

[BigTime44]

Wow I know Oak Park is amazing, but 8 champs come on now.

[fanatic]

Bob,

Your not giving Bowman much credit for his win. No doubt it probably is a tossup but I give the Senior Bowman the edge. No doubt Oak Park could score that many team points in Columbia. Does anyone know the record for Class 4 team points?

[BigTime44]

or the record for most individual champs?

[Class1Rankings]

Does anyone know the record for Class 4 team points?

Oakville - 1998.....213.5 pts.

[Greg]

Bob there are some pretty serious rivals to the Oak Park kids in most of the weight classes you have them winning. Whereas I think it is well within the realm of possibility all of those wrestlers could win, realistically my guess is that a few of them won't. Regardless this probably is the best line-up in state history. I think in most other eras the Fort Zumwalt West team would be going for its second team title in a row.

[underrated east]

3 individual champs is the record for class 4

[Bob Pollock]

[underrated east]

103- Bradley
112- Krischke maybe Ziegler
119- Warner
125- Bolin
130- O'Donnell
135- Joiner
140- Gagliano
145- Weist
152- Wolfrum
160- Lococo
171- Bowman
189- hmmmm.... not sure maybe that Winn kid just a thought
215- Vilda
275- Crossett with Madison at 2nd

[*ICEMAN*]

Seckman Total 31
CBC Total 30
Lee's Summit North Total 29
Lindbergh Total 29
Troy Total 28
Fox Total 27

you know that Fox beat seckman, right. also Seckman does good during the regular season, but when it comes to state its like they shut down.

[techfall02]

103- bailey or bradley
112- krischke or ziegler
119- warner
125- Nay or bolin
130- O'Donnel
135- Joiner
140- Bailey
145- Nay
152- Wolfrum
160- Locoocoo
171- Haynes or Bowman
189- Winn
215- Vilda
275 Bradley Crosset or Madison

[Bob Pollock]

[Bob Pollock]

[Greg]

A darkhorse at 112 is Denson of Liberty. I have been very impressed by him. I agree Vito and Marty are the two favorites, but I could see Ziegler, Brooks or Jones making a run and bumping off a favorite. Bunch could also upset a few people, however if I had to pick an upset champion I would pick Denson.

[Bob Pollock]

[backstep]

when will oak park rain end . they are lose 4 sr. can fzw take it next yr

[techfall02]

what happened with benenati?? I heard he quit, I heard grades, whats going on???

[bramabull]

no way winn will win at 189.... he cant even compete at that weight!!!!! :roll: well he might be able to

[sar231]

Greg Benenati will not be wrestling for the rest of the season.

[Warren Haynes]

103- Bradley FHC
112- Krischke NW
119- Warner FZW
125- Bolin FZW
130- O'Donnel OP
135- Pepper SE
140- Bailey OP
145- Nay OP
152- Wolfrum FZW
160- Toss-Up weight
171- Bowman BS
189- Winn LB
215- Rampley JX
275- Bradley BS

Team:
1. Oak Park
2. Zumwalt West
3. Blue Springs
4. Howell Central

[underrated east]

I completely forgot about Denson from Liberty after pinning Uehlin twice this weekend I think he has just as good of a shot as anyone. If Gagliano goes 135 I think he puts the hammer down on Joiner but at 140 I think he could have a shot to know Bailey off.

[wrestlefan19]

I picked my favorites in what i considered tossups
103: Bradley...Bradley Bailey is a toss up will be a GREAT match
112: Krischke
119: Warner...I cant believe someone picked Pascaglia over Warner...Warner dominated Pascaglia
125: Bolin
130: Scotty O
135: Gags...He beat Joiner last year but again...Toss Up
140: Bailey...Cant believe someone picked Gags over Bailey
145: Weist....Nay is the favorite but....goin with my favorite
152: Wolfrum
160: Lococococo...Woods could provide a clash of styles with his strength...remember Lococo vs Grayson
171: Bowman
189: Winn
215: Vilda
275: Crosset...Tossup but goin with my favorite

[sar231]

FINALISTS PREDICTIONS

103:Bradley over Bailey
112:Uehlin over Krichke
119:Warner over Green
125:Nay over Green
130:O'Donnell over VanVelkinburgh
135:Gagliano over Joiner
140:Bailey over Brennan
145:Weist over Nay
152:Wolfrum over Hall
160:Lococo over Woods
171:Haynes over Dietz
189:Winn over Merideth
215:Rampley over Vilda
HWT:Crosset over Bradley

Team Scores:
Oak Park
Fort Zumwalt West
Francis Howell Central
Northwest House Springs
Blue Springs

[Bob Pollock]

[Greg]

Underrated east mind you I am not picking Denson to win 112, I am just saying if I had to pick at darkhorse at the lower weights he would be the one.

[fanatic]

I would agree that 112 could be some luck of the draw. Denson does have a good cradle, Toon was ahead of him 2-0 until the final minute. Denson got the cradle hooked up. Can't wait until Columbia.......

[Frank Castle]

103 Bailey
112 Uehlin- if he can win all of his matches his first two days he will be verry verry big .
119 Warner -but i could see him screwing up .
125 Nay - its his yr
130 O'donnell
135 Joiner- gag if was wrestling all yr
140 Bailey
145 Nay
152 Wolfrum
160 Foley
171 Haynes
189 Winn
215 Ott
275 Bradley- But Madison could stick him he is fast and big

[Louden]

Wow Bob.... now I have been noticing a huge connection with you and the Oak Parkians recently but your picks still caught me off guard. Wow. :shock:

[Bob Pollock]

[underrated east]

Wow Bob just a little biased I would say with 7 state champs from OP

[fudge tunnel]

That's nice and all, Bob.......but can you lay off the class 1 kids a little bit. :-x We try hard down in them little podunk towns...

[Bob Pollock]

[Bob Pollock]

[fudge tunnel]

:smt099

[jonathan]

:lol:

[Bob Pollock]

[fudge tunnel]

Gagliano over Bailey. That is big time bias.



That's not bias...........that's just flat out retardsandwichville material.

[Bob Pollock]

[Louden]

Yes, I am no doubt about it an OP fan. Nothing new. The only teams I root for over them are Lee's Summit because my son was priveledged enough to benefit from the great coaches out there. I live in Kansas by the way. I think everyone would enjoy seeing a team sweep that many titles. Obviously you don't want your favorites to lose but after the fact, we would all be proud of them. Even their closest rival I dare say, FZW. Question for all of you. If OP get's a tournament or dual with the big boys in Illinois next year, who will you root for? I actually find myself rooting for Northwest every once in a while too. I like underdogs and they came out of nowhere last year in my opinion. They have a heck of a team this year. Good luck to them.

Oh I am definately a fan of Oak Park. It didn't start this year either. I went to Granite City two years ago just to see them wrestle. I'm proud of the successes they have had for Missouri and of course I root for them against out of State Teams. I actually made myself look stupid last year before Oak Park dualed El Reno when I went to the Oklahoma website and talked trash... only to see Oak Park get beat... oh well they got revenge this year.

I will always root for Northwest above any team of course. I've been following the program ever since the Wilhelms adopted it and turned it around from a subpar-par team to a powerhouse-and with much less little league support than most top teams have.
BTW, their dual meet record since taking it over in 2000-2001 is 86-10 (or will be after the next three duals) and this is just after the team had a dual record in one season with that many losses (10) in 1998. The sudden turn of success didn't happen by the lucky draw of little leaguers... and Northwest doesn't breach 1000+ people attending home duals by chance now either. I think most away duals the Northwest crowd still out#'s the home teams. It's quite a sight to see and I am glad for it.

Anyways, my predictions are:

103: Bradley
112: Krischke
119: Warner
125: Bolin
130: O'Donnell
135: Pepper (if Gagliano comes back... it will be hard to pick Pepper over him... but he HAS missed a lot of wrestling and might not be at his peak... so I guess I'll stay with Pepper.)
140: Bailey (even if he is hurt)
145: Nay
152: Wolfrum
160: Loccoco
171: Haynes
189: Winn
215: Vilda (Sorry Rampley)
275: Dom

[fudge tunnel]

103 - Bailey
112 - Krishke
119 - Warner (unless someone gets in his kitchen, which can easily be done)
125 - Nay
130 - Scotty O
135 - Joiner
140 - Bailey
145 - Nay
152 - Wolfrum
160 - Loccococococococo
171 - Haynes
189 - Winn
215 - Vilda
HWT - Bradley

[Louden]

Hey Smith, I guess you can't give us your HONEST picks can you... :twisted:

Imagine you are gambling with your house on the line and you have to go with the most likely wrestler to win. PM me with your picks. 8)

[Frank Castle]

I dont get one thing . Why is every one picking Bradley over Bailey . Bradley has won one time in god knows how many matchs with Bailey .Brandley is a great wrestler but one win in duble over time out of 15 or so matchs :?

[Louden]

I dont get one thing . Why is every one picking Bradley over Bailey . Bradley has won one time in god knows how many matchs with Bailey .Brandley is a great wrestler but one win in duble over time out of 15 or so matchs :?

Probably because most people don't know that. I didn't. I just knew that Bradley was having an excellent year and has been without injury as far as I know.

[Smith]

No thanks. I just hope all of our kids are healthy and have the opportunity to compete for a state title.

[tsu86]

103-Bailey
112-Krishke
119-Warner
125-Nay
130-Odonnell
135-Joiner
140-Bailey
145-Nay
152-Wolfrum
160-Lococco
171-Bowman
189-Winn
215-Vilda
H-Bradley

[mat wench]

103 Bailey
112 Krishke
119 Warner (But I like Green)
125 Nay
130 Scotty O
135 Joiner
140 Bailey
145 Nay
152 Wolfrom
160 Lococco
171 Haynes
189 Winn
215 Vilda
275 Bradley

[wrestlingmom]

what weight is gags going

[fudge tunnel]

what weight is gags going

135...................apparently

[stillman]

I reckon we'll find out Thursday evening FZN and FZW have a dual meet. 8)

[urpinned]

when is Bailey coming back ? Everyone has him winning state

[Bob Pollock]

[underrated east]

i think Gagliano is supposed to wreslte tonight at FZW vs. FZS

[Greg]

Regardless of what happens at State, I would like to see Zack come back and at least get to wrestle for a 4th state title. I think it would be sad if an injury is what kept him from competing for his last possible high school championship. I would think that anyone who enjoys wrestling regardless if they root for Zack/Oak Park or not would feel the same way. If he wins he wins, if he doesn't, he doesn't, but I would hate for an injury to be the reason that a great wrestler like Zack can't take his last shot.

[Mid-South Wrangler]

103 lbs. - K Bradley, FHC
112 lbs. - ???
119 lbs. - E Warner, FZW
125 lbs. - M Bolin, FZW
130 lbs. - S O'Donnell, OP
135 lbs. - J Pepper, Seck
140 lbs. - Z Bailey, OP (if he wrestles he will win)
145 lbs. - S Nay, OP
152 lbs. - J Wolfrum, FZW
160 lbs. - B Lococo, FH
171 lbs. - J Bowman, BS
189 lbs. - D Winn, Lib
215 lbs. - W Vilda, CBC
275 lbs. - N Crossett, FH

Top 4 teams:
1. Oak Park
2. Fort Zumwalt West
3. Blue Springs
4. Francis Howell Central


I dont get one thing . Why is every one picking Bradley over Bailey . Bradley has won one time in god knows how many matchs with Bailey .Brandley is a great wrestler but one win in duble over time out of 15 or so matchs :?

Obviously Bradley is ranked over Bailey as of right now. Is it because of common opponents? What's the "Forrest" factor in this one?

[Louden]

The way I can see it, Francis Howell Central is either going to really shine with some upsets, or be very disappointed at State. They have a ton of very good wrestlers but most of those really good guys are in some very deep weight classes. The other weights that are relatively weak in comparison to the depth of others, Francis Howell Central isn't represented by one of their top guys. I think that could cost them at state. I see Bradley as their biggest point scorer.

[Mid-South Wrangler]

Yeah, I picked them as my number 4 placer over Northwest. I feel these two teams will end up the a very similar amount of total points. Bradley and Tracy are the two notable point scores for them in the tournament, and like Northwest, are pretty solid up and down. If V Krischke doesn't score close to the maximum he can, I think Northwest we be in the same boat.

[TnT]

Finals I Would like to see:

103-Bailey vs Bradley
112-Krischke vs Uehlin
119-Warner vs Green
125-Nay vs Bolin
130-O'Donnell vs Garcia
135-Joiner vs Gagliano
140-Bailey vs Brennan
145-Wiest vs Nay
152-Wolfrum vs Bearden or Hall
160-Lococo vs Koelling or Neely
171-Bowman vs Haynes
189-Winn vs Meredith
215-Vilda vs Barnett or Ott
275-Madison vs Bradley or Crosset

[microtech]

Finals I Would like to see:

103-Bailey vs Bradley
112-Krischke vs Uehlin
119-Warner vs Green
125-Nay vs Bolin
130-O'Donnell vs Garcia
135-Joiner vs Gagliano
140-Bailey vs Brennan
145-Wiest vs Nay
152-Wolfrum vs Bearden or Hall
160-Lococo vs Koelling or Neely
171-Bowman vs Haynes
189-Winn vs Meredith
215-Vilda vs Barnett or Ott
275-Madison vs Bradley or Crosset


Looks like a OP dual Vs. The rest of the State... :shock:

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Obviously Bradley is ranked over Bailey as of right now. Is it because of common opponents? What's the "Forrest" factor in this one?

Bradley is 1-1 vs. Forrest - both were 1 point overtime matches.
Bailey is 1-0 vs. Forrest - a 7-4 decision.

[TnT]

microtech, ya it sorta does like like an op dual against the rest of the state but it very well could end up being that way if op has a good tournament. but like i said thats what I would like to see.

[Mid-South Wrangler]

Obviously Bradley is ranked over Bailey as of right now. Is it because of common opponents? What's the "Forrest" factor in this one?

Bradley is 1-1 vs. Forrest - both were 1 point overtime matches.
Bailey is 1-0 vs. Forrest - a 7-4 decision.

Not that I disagree with the ranking, but knowing this, what is the criteria to put Bradley ahead of Bailey?

[Troy Wrestling Fan]

I have a question.

How come everybody seems to think that Scott O'Donnell and Reid Garcia are going to be in the finals at 130?

What about Devin Graham and John VanVelkinburgh(spelling?)? Either one or both of them could possibly be in the finals. As long as O'Donnell and Garcia are on the same side of the bracket. Even if not VanVelkinburgh may take Garcia or O'Donnell. And Graham could have a great match with Garcia if they met in the semis. So that is just food for thought.

[fudge tunnel]

VanVelkinburgh may take Garcia or O'Donnell.

Has VanVelkinburgh wrestled O'Donnell or Garcia this year? If so, what were the match scores?

Didn't Graham get pinned by VanVelkinburgh this past weekend?

[wrestlefan19]

[quote="Troy Wrestling Fan":f71a7]VanVelkinburgh may take Garcia or O'Donnell.


Didn't Graham get pinned by VanVelkinburgh this past weekend?[/quote:f71a7]

I do know at GAC Vanvelkinburgh beat Graham in ot
and results say VV won by fall over Graham this weekend...did Graham get caught or did VanVelkinburgh just have a bad match at GAC?

[The Godfather]

[quote="Troy Wrestling Fan":88d09]VanVelkinburgh may take Garcia or O'Donnell.

Has VanVelkinburgh wrestled O'Donnell or Garcia this year? If so, what were the match scores?

Didn't Graham get pinned by VanVelkinburgh this past weekend?[/quote:88d09]

O'Donnell smoked VanVelkinburgh 13-5 at the Granite City tournament. Louden and anyone else that saw that match would probably agree that VanVelkinburgh is not on the level of Scotty O. I personally have never seen Garcia wrestle so I can't say one way or the other with him, but VanVelkinburgh's only shot at the state finals is if O'Donnell is on the other side of the bracket, in my opinion.

[Patriotfan]

Garcia and VanVelkinburg wrestled in the Patriot Classic earlier this year... I can't recall the final score Garcia won by at least a few points. Maybe someone else has more details on that.

[Louden]

Good point abotu Garcia.. plus he hasn't been near as dominant this year as he has in the past two years. I don't know if he is sick, having trouble cutting weight, or just isn't as into wrestling. Or maybe he isn't handling the added weight as well. Who knows. Last year he only had two losses for the entire year and only lost to O'Donnell both times. This year he has losat to a number of kids, some of them not ranked in the top 6.

[Randy B]

VanVelkinburgh also had a much closer match with O'Donnell earlier in the tournament at GC. He did pin Graham in the finals this past weekend at Howell North Tournament.

[The Godfather]

VanVelkinburgh also had a much closer match with O'Donnell earlier in the tournament at GC. He did pin Graham in the finals this past weekend at Howell North Tournament.

You lost me on that one, RB. When did VanVelkinburgh have a much closer match with O'Donnell? They only met in the finals at G.C.

All I remember is that VanVelkinburgh was PISSED when he lost that match, but I remember Scotty O taking shots at will...was kind of amazing, actually.

[jhva]

they met in the 3rd or 4th round of pool wrestling. The match was 4 - 2 or 4 -1.

[underrated east]

You guys are all counting Joe Wolfrum out. I know he has lost to Garcia, VanVelkinberg, and O'Donnell, but they were all close matches, he had VanVelkinberg beat at GAC, he lost by 1 and 2 to O'Donnell. He has been very surprising this year and I think he has a pretty good shot at being a finalist.

[Bob Pollock]

[Louden]

You lost me on that one, RB. When did VanVelkinburgh have a much closer match with O'Donnell? They only met in the finals at G.C.

All I remember is that VanVelkinburgh was PISSED when he lost that match, but I remember Scotty O taking shots at will...was kind of amazing, actually.

The finals of Day 1, O'Donnell beat VanVelkinberg 4-1.

[Patriotfan]

To go back to Louden's post about Garcia... there are several different styles of wrestling and each has it ups and downs against the other styles and not drawing attention to Garcia but everyone for that matter needs to work on certain things pertaining to certain styles of wrestling. I can assure you that Garcia will be ready for state, first comes districts. So I would by no means count him out.

[Louden]

To go back to Louden's post about Garcia... there are several different styles of wrestling and each has it ups and downs against the other styles and not drawing attention to Garcia but everyone for that matter needs to work on certain things pertaining to certain styles of wrestling. I can assure you that Garcia will be ready for state, first comes districts. So I would by no means count him out.

Definitely don't count him out. In fact I was hoping you would weigh-in on the subject Patriotfan. Garcia went from being about as definite a top 3 placer as you could have last year, to being a questionable placer this year based upon losses to Smart, Harris, and Rodgers. Those three wrestlers are by no means weak, they are all studs, but on paper each one of those appeared to be outmatched by Garcia. I also know he has victories over 2 of the 3 as well, but the whole point was that none of this happened last year, not even once. It's happened three times this year and one has to wonder if maybe there is trouble with the higher weight class, or something else.

[Patriotfan]

Statistically he may "seem" a questionable placer but those are just numbers. I'm sure I wasn't thought to be a placer and I came away with a medal. At this point all the statistics says is the seeding, when it really matters (state) Reid will show us all what he's been working so hard for. Its possible that the jump in weight could be a factor but I can't say with assurance.