Lococco and 152

[GAC The Great]

I just have one question. Why? Is Lococo training for a marathon? whys he running? Im not trying to dog him or anything, I think hes actually got a better chance than he thinks at 152 with West having issues, Im just wondering why a solid wrestler like Lococo would bump into a tougher weight. Just look at the 152 and 160 pounders in the Francis Howell Tournament. Which would you rather go?

[The Godfather]

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Okay, I decided to delete my post and be nice. I think my emoticon says it all.

[fudge tunnel]

I think Locococococo will be just fine at 160...

[The Godfather]

Somebody tell Wolfrum to get ready...

[GAC The Great]

Im not saying hes going to do bad at 160 , hes a great wrestler and he is going to succeed wherever he goes. But, looking at where everyone is now it just seems to me like he would have an easier time at 152, just an observation. I do think, however, Lococo beats Wolfrum. Just an opinion.

[The Godfather]

Im not saying hes going to do bad at 160 , hes a great wrestler and he is going to succeed wherever he goes. But, looking at where everyone is now it just seems to me like he would have an easier time at 152, just an observation.

Hmmm...Wolfrum at 152 or Tracy at 160. 2 time state champ or state qualifier. Hmmm...I think you're right...wrestling in the same weight class as a 2 time state champion should be easier. :roll:

[GAC The Great]

How much have you heard about Wolfrum this year? All Im saying is that he has the opportunity to dethrone a wrestler like Wolfrum and cap off his career like that, I would take the opportunity and run with it. It would be a shame if he didnt take a chance (a good chance) to beat someone as decorated as him.

[The Godfather]

How much have you heard about Wolfrum this year? All Im saying is that he has the opportunity to dethrone a wrestler like Wolfrum and cap off his career like that, I would take the opportunity and run with it. It would be a shame if he didnt take a chance (a good chance) to beat someone as decorated as him.

You never know, we could very well see him take that chance... 8)

[GAC The Great]

That would be worth the price of admission for me. I hope it happens, I think hed be making a mistake not to.

[Mid-South Wrangler]

Hmmm...Wolfrum at 152 or Tracy at 160.

I'm pretty sure these aren't the only two wrestlers in those weight classes.

[Denmom]

but there are both ranked #1 in their weights. :wink:

[GAC The Great]

Its a tough decision and Im sure his coaches will weigh out the different options, but 152 looks like a great place for him, and he looked really strong there, too. With 160 the talent is deep, and there seem to be too many opportunities for an upset with 160 rather than 152. On the other hand, 160 is kind of a proving ground with no absolute front runner. But thats what makes it dangerous.

[Mid-South Wrangler]

but there are both ranked #1 in their weights. Wink

You're right. But I'm also pretty sure that because they are both ranked #1 in their respective weight classes, it doesn't mean those two are the only wrestlers in those weight classes. That was my original point. :wink:

[Denmom]

But they are the only ones being discussed because they are the top in each weight class and the "rumor" is that Lococo is moving to 152. So no one is forgetting the others. they are just trying to decide if Lococo makes the move, who would be the top then. :razz:

[GAC The Great]

Even though we arent discussing the others directly, theyre still a very big part of the decision, though.

[kckid]

sorry too tell you but he was at 152 for gac and he is by far the best 160 pounder in the state He beat espy 6-2 last week who is a stud and the the following saterday he beat espy by tech fall and espy wrestled better in the tech fall match lococco will be the next 160 mo state champ!

[GAC The Great]

Espey is class 3. Not to say it changes anything, but he's class 3. they wont wrestle in state, and thats all that counts. He was at 152 for GACs, though?

[bfankhauser]

Anyone who thinks Brandon is running from anyone does not know Brandon very well. He has done nothing but go out looking for the best competition.

[datawhse]

That's right. Lococo was at 152 for GAC's to take a crack at Wolfrum. He didn't get a chance to do that. He was at 160 for Riverview to face Espey, and completely dominated him. I'm guessing he will also be at 160 this weekend so he can face both Rico Williams, Ryan Matthews and Mike Tracy. At FHC Tournament he would see Woods, Tracy and Tommy St. Louis from Neosho at 160. All top 4 wrestlers at 160. With the exception of Wolfrom at FHC, Lococo wouldn't get to see the cream of the crop (top 6) at 152 over the next three weeks. He's doing what he needs to, to get ready for the state run and that elusive state title. I don't think anyone knows for sure where he'll end up come districts except him and his coaches. I'd like to see him take a shot at Wolfrum at FHC to see how that comes out. That may be the plan.

[Denmom]

152 Lococo FH over Newbold FZS 16-4
Brazill Troy over Grimes FHC


Yes, he was at 152 and looked very tough.

[WESTONE]

not to change the subject but what teams are going to be at the FHC tournament?

[Denmom]

the tournament flyer only has 8 teams attending. Hazelwood Central, Francis Howell, Pattonville, Marquette are in one pool. Francis Howell Central, Troy, Rolla, and Belleville West are in the other pool. 3 duals in your pool. Then it will be #1 from blue pool against #2 in the gold pool, and #2 from blue pool against #1 in the gold pool in a semi-final round with winners going for first and losers going for third. Not sure if there will be consolations for the #3 and #4 in each pool.


I found that on the tournament thread on Class 4

[Denmom]

sorry westone, that is the Francis Howell Tournament Thread. Not FHC tournament

[WESTONE]

sorry westone, that is the Francis Howell Tournament Thread. Not FHC tournament

thank you anyhow

[Bob Pollock]

[WESTONE]

[/quote]I think it is great for all of us fans that we have so many talented wrestlers this year. This is a really interesting conversation you folks have going here. I think that Lococo should go to the FH tournament at 160 if that's where he intends to wrestle, regardless of the opportunity to meet with Wolfrum. It is then up to Wolfrum and the FZW coaches to decide if they want the challenge. They don't have a ranked 160, wrestle him at 160. They know Lococo came to GAC for the challenge. Their turn to show up. The other thing is that if they do plan on 160 but only went down for the match and lost, you would have those that thought he went 160 to avoid him again.[/quote]

good call

[dbland]

I think a Dustin Burns/Lococo match will be exciting enough. I hope this happens soon.

[WESTONE]

I think a Dustin Burns/Lococo match will be exciting enough. I hope this happens soon.
so burns is back. is any one else?

[GAC The Great]

See, thats the whole reason why I started this discussion again, is because Lococo vs. Wolfrum could be one of the most anticipated matches in the state tournament. But hes running, and what for? Better competition is one thing, but when its this late in the game, there isnt really anything more you can do to prepare for state except wrestle where you need to scout. I think not sticking with 152 is going to hurt him come state time.

[GAC The Great]

WESTONE, are you saying that if Lococo is going to stay at 160 that Wolfrum may move up to chase Lococo??? Thats crazy. If they both move up 160 will be the strongest weight class in the state and will dash a lot of kids hopes. I think if thats gonna happen Lococo should just stick around 152. If theres nowhere to run and nowhere to hide, stay where you are and fight!!!

[Mid-South Wrangler]

I tend to believe that bfankhouser and datawhse have a more personal insight on what's happening w/ Brandon. If it turns out that he wrestles the next couple of weeks @ 60lbs. for a pure competition factor, then slides back down to 52 when it comes time to wrestle Justin, I will have the utmost respect for him as a wrestler. If he stays @ 60 for the rest of the season, I'm sure its more than justified. Also, if he's @ 52 at FHC and faces Justin, it will be interesting to see the outcome and where he decides to wrestle after that.

[wrestlefan19]

just a thought
unless he weighs in at 152 and wrestles 160 cutting down to 152 just in time to wrestle a stud like Wolfrum might not be the best idea...and if im not mistaken making 152 was not a breeze for him

[GAC The Great]

nevermind, I misread the last post. My question still stands, why move around? It all looks like smoke and mirrors. It all comes down to one final point: Lococo is dodging one person, and that mentality wont get him a state championship no matter where he goes.

[wrestlefan19]

as I posted earlier 152 was not a breeze to make
maybe he realizes he can win it at 160 and feels more comfortable at 160 or wants to have fun and not have to cut the rest of the year
I really doubt lococoococo is dodging anyone and Tracy,Woods,Koelling, and williams (to name a few) are by no means push overs...

[underrated east]

Just because Lococo has or if he does decide to go to 160 does not mean that he is dodging Wolfrum. Brandon is a very good wrestler but I do not think he would have a shot to beat Wolfrum. He is making the best decision for himself to be a state champion by going 160 where he can be alot stronger instead of being so stricken at 152. Whoever posed the idea of FZW bumping Wolfrum to 160 is outside their mind. What would be the point of that, then they would have no 152 pounder at all. Wolfrum is a 2timer why should he be chasing anyone. If Burnes comes back I think he has a shot to knock off Lococo and any other favorite at 160.

[GAC The Great]

So its a weight issue with Lococo? I dont get it, he makes scratch all last semester then he cant make it with plus 2? Whats so hard about that?

[GAC The Great]

That is exactly my point. Burnes may beat him, Williams, Tracy, and a few others may beat him, but at 152 only one person stands in his way. And whats he stricken with at 152? I think I know, its called "acute Wolfrumitis"

[howellfan]

GAC The Great
Do you personally know Loccoco? I will tell you one thing about him, he is not afraid of Wolfurm. At GAC, Loccoco wanted to wrestle Wolfrum even with Wolfrum being out with a staph infection. He is moving up do to better competition. At MO Duals, a few of his matches were at 160 in order to get better competition. He will most likely be at 152 for the FHC tournament to get a match vs Wolfrum.

Also, if you wrestle for Howell, I would recommed that you get of the message boards.

[GAC The Great]

Im not a howell wrestler, but I am a big fan of the area and the wrestling there. I dont personally know him, and I dont think 95 percent of the people who post here do. Only he knows. Ive just taken exception to this whole situation because I didnt realize Lococo was that good that he had to go up to get more competition, especially when youve got competition where you are.

[howellfan]

If you look at the rankings-excluding Loccoco-at 152 there is 1 wrestler ranked-6th- and two wrestlers that are HM. At 160 there are the #2 and #3 ranked wrestlers in the state for class 4 and the #8 guy for class 3. I feel that 160 is a tougher weight class even without Loccoco. As for Espey (FZN-160-3rd in C3), he is a good wrestler maybe better than Lumia (FZN-152-4th in C3)

[GAC The Great]

Exactly, thats my point, it is a tougher weight without him, and Espey is a stud, hes got a couple of seniors in his weight who just have more varsity experience than him, but once they graduate he can go where he wants and win. If he wants better competition youre right 160 is the place to be, but it might backfire because common opponents are the only thing he has to go on, and in Columbia that doesnt mean anything.

[ANONAME]

I think gac the great's kid is that 160. I think Lococo will be fine at 152 or 160,but to say he is dodging one person, I think you don't have a clue. He will wrestle where howell wants him to. Don't get me wrong I would love to see lococo vs wolfrum also And we still might, but wouldn't the better competition be at 160 this weekend? :smt118

[GAC The Great]

What? I have a kid? We have so much to catch up on! I dont have children that I know of and if I had one (especially a wrestler at 160) I wouldnt be posting here. Another thing, Ive got more clues than Sherlock Holmes. And to answer your question yes, there would be better competition at 160. Thats been my whole point. Howell is a great program and they will make the best choice for them. You said it yourself, Wolfrum vs. Lococo is what a lot of people want to see.

[ANONAME]

It was a JOKE! It is just funny you want lococo to stay at 152 so much for one match. Everybody would like to see that I agree with you there . But what would had said If lococo stayed at 152 and dodged tracy & espey just because it was easy or there was less competition at 152 . You would be on this site posting LOCOCO AND 160 Why did he dodge TRACY........................ Or maybe I'm wrong. I am just A NO NAME.

[NC Play-Cuzins]

loccoco crispy, State Champ @ 160 or 152...it doesnt matter.

[The Godfather]

nevermind, I misread the last post. My question still stands, why move around? It all looks like smoke and mirrors. It all comes down to one final point: Lococo is dodging one person, and that mentality wont get him a state championship no matter where he goes.

You know what, I'm getting tired of reading your crap. I took a stab at you when you first posted this thread and then deleted it to be nice, but not anymore.

You need to quit talking about things that you don't know anything about. The only plausable thing you have said is that the Wolfrum vs. Lococo match would be a great match. Saying that he is running from Wolfrum is just stupid. It's obvious that you don't know Brandon or anybody from the Howell program, because if you did, you would know that we don't run from anybody...period. If you want to continue this discussion, why don't you and I meet up at the next Howell meet and I'm sure we can sort out your concerns about Lococo running from somebody. :twisted:

[Louden]

:smt062

[bfankhauser]

Godfather, you should relax. This is the most fun that Howell has had on this website in a while. It really shows what people know. I have heard some good comments and some that are really pretty funny. Especially from people that would indicate they are close to the Howell team. Let me clear this up for everyone. The reason Brandon has been at 160 is because he can't beat Hoffman and Fankhauser and they have filled the 152 and 145 spots. :shock: :D :D

[Louden]

I'd have to agree. It sucks when people can't just say what's on their mind and have to pretend and be "politically correct". So in this case, GAC please continue and say what you really think. In turn it will be fun to watch Godfather tear into you. It's good entertainment!

[Kevin Stroh]

bill now you let the secret out about brandon, nobody really knew that he was actually about the fifth or sixth best in the practice room :D :-D

[howellfan]

This is great, what's next Brandon is going to move to take Nathan's spot?

[Kevin Stroh]

GAC King
I don't really want to get into but please tell me when Brandon has had a chance to run from Justin, the only tournament to date we have been in and Zumwalt West has been was GAC and Brandon was very disappointed that Justin wasn't there becuase of staph, not saying who would win becuase I think it would go either way Justin is one of the best in the state and actually the history of missouri, but other than that we haven't been anywhere else with west, but if Brandon was dodging Justin he wouldn't of wrestled 152 at conference, becuase if you pay attention that is the only time since chrismas he has wrestled 152,

[howellfan]

Coach Stroh,
I agree with you about Brandon and him not "running" form Justin. I do believe that Brandon may have a chance against Wolfrum-even if it is a small one.

[The Godfather]

Godfather, you should relax. This is the most fun that Howell has had on this website in a while. It really shows what people know. I have heard some good comments and some that are really pretty funny. Especially from people that would indicate they are close to the Howell team. Let me clear this up for everyone. The reason Brandon has been at 160 is because he can't beat Hoffman and Fankhauser and they have filled the 152 and 145 spots. :shock: :D :D

Pipe down, old man :D

[The Godfather]

I'd have to agree. It sucks when people can't just say what's on their mind and have to pretend and be "politically correct". So in this case, GAC please continue and say what you really think. In turn it will be fun to watch Godfather tear into you. It's good entertainment!

People are more than welcome to say what's on their mind...just don't challenge the character of a Howell wrestler if you're not prepared to take the heat. :lol:

[Randy B]

The only person Lococo has ever run from is his Old Man! Of course that was in a wiffle ball game or a half marathon!

[bfankhauser]

I saw him run from one wrestler this year. That was Crossett when Brandon grabbed the last piece of Deer Jerky at the Raytown tournament.

[stein]

Let's not forget, that brandon is not a returning state champion. The number one goal of any high school wrestler is to become the state champion, not to provide a great potential matchup for fans at his own possible expense. Brandon should wrestle whichever weight he feels gives him the best chance to accomplish his goal. Lay off GAC dude.

[The Godfather]

Get 'em stein, get 'em!!! 8)

[King of the Lemurs]

It is time for the true King to speak. What is all this silly talk about some Lococo person @ 160? Wolfrum has to most be worried about Lindberg's Bearden, who was only barely beaten by Wolfrum just one itty bitty point. Why should this Lococo person cut weight for a third place medal?

[Scrap Iron]

I think this is just another Dad's Club, van down by the river, hearsay, **** kid, FHHs 5 0n 2, MJ driven Conspiracy just to get Francis Howell South High School back in the MOWrestling.com limelight Conspiracy.

GAC the Great = MJ

Yes, I know I said Conspiracy twice, it is that impotant

[Bob Pollock]

[howellfan]

King of the Lemurs
Loccoco is probably one of the best wrestlers in the state this year-right behind Wolfrum. If Loccoco wrestles 152 at state, I know he will not allow anything to get in his way to get to the finals, if not win state. Must I remind you that Loccoco is a two time runner up to Grayson-one of those years Wolfrum lost to Grayson.

[swmo fan]

No disrespect because Loccoco is an awesome wrestler, but one of the reasons that he is a 2 time finalist is that Wolfrum and Grayson had the bad luck of the draw and ended up on the same side of the bracket at state.

[wrestlefan19]

I think this is just another Dad's Club, van down by the river, hearsay, **** kid, FHHs 5 0n 2, MJ driven Conspiracy just to get Francis Howell South High School back in the MOWrestling.com limelight Conspiracy.

GAC the Great = MJ

Yes, I know I said Conspiracy twice, it is that impotant

translation please?!!?
and also didn't Grayson barely beat Wolfrum in the semis the same year he majored locococococo.....he HANDLED locococo both times they wrestled

[datawhse]

Lococo dec. Rico Williams 7-2
Mike Tracy ddec. Rico Williams 3-2
Lococo pin Mike Tracy 1:34

[Scrap Iron]

WF19 -- It is a Joke!!!
If you weren't some little stars in the eye, in love with several wrestlers across the state, know it all little boy, you would know sarcasm (about the Howell program) when you see it.

All in Fun!!!

[mb23]

I guess training for the marathon helped Brandon--all that running

[datawhse]

Nice article on Lococo in the Post today......

http://prepsports.stltoday.com/ssi/prep/stories2006.nsf/wrestling/story/69600234D173028486257104001656F6?OpenDocument

[datawhse]

I have to question the career record though. With records of 33-5, 43-4, 35-0 over the past 3 yrs, that totals (111-9). That would make his freshman record 50-3 and that can't be right. Does anyone have the state book from Brandon's freshman year? What was his record coming into the tournament? I think he went 2-2 losing to Bailey(OP) and Simpson(JC). Still a hell of an accomplishment. One of the best to come out of Howell.

[swmo fan]

The 2003 State Booklet has Lococo coming in to state as a freshman with a record of 32-4.

Lococo went 2-2, losing to Bailey 10-6 and Simpson 11-6. He defeated Billy Garrett 7-2, and Rob Conley 12-3 in the wrestlebacks.

That would have him finishing his freshman season 34-6.

That was the invasion of the freshmen year at 112, when freshmen Bailey, Warner, and B. Graham established themselves by placing over prior years state finalists and upperclassmen Wyrick and Simpson.

[wrestlefan19]

WF19 -- It is a Joke!!!
If you weren't some little stars in the eye, in love with several wrestlers across the state, know it all little boy, you would know sarcasm (about the Howell program) when you see it.

All in Fun!!!

....Again
Translation please?!

[kckid]

guess you all can shut up now lococo run from no body he straight up took it to wolfrum. i see lococo as the next 160 pound state champ

[wrestlefan19]

guess you all can shut up now lococo run from no body he straight up took it to wolfrum. i see lococo as the next 160 pound state champ

Straight up took?
Lococo won fair and square but you make it sound like he won easy...The difference was a 1st period td
a little cliche i know but i think if they wrestled 10 times it would go 5-5

[obnoxio]

I think the score should have been 4-0. Big Woffie was taken down and he rolled straight to his back where loco-coco stacked him for a second or 2...but was given no back points.

5-5???? WF you're nothing but a West lover...

[bramabull]

i think loccoco should go 160 at state. that would leave wolfrum without a chance to get back what he lost. we all know wolfrum could beat loccoco and it would be in the finals if it happened taking back a victory and the state title.