215 Championship Vilda vs. Bradley

[jjb1d5]

Please comment here.

[wrestlefan19]

BULL bradley should have been kicked out I know he heard the whistle out of bounds that was WAY illegal although Vilda almost threw a punch but didnt get it off so Bradley shoulda been gone

[Nill215]

Terrible officiating on this match. Not only did Bradley go after Vilda after the whistle but he picked him up and slammed him out of bounds. Granted Vilda did get pissed after it happened but who wouldn't that situation. Bradley should have been disqualified as soon as it happened.

[washingtoons]

Without a DOUBT!!!.Besides the slam after the whistle,when did Vilda get warned for stalling before the refs gave "the bull" his point?.HE GOT HOSED BIG TIME!!!!.

[KDSII]

...just when I thought Missouri officiating couldn't have gotten worse...But wow How could he have not heard the whistle when I'm sure everyone else in there did.

[Fist of Love]

I guess he figured the only time he's going to be able to do anything in the entire match is after the whistle had blown and Vilda was walking away. Interesting strategy. I guess it will work when the official is a chickens@#t

[powerhouse]

I didnt think it would be possible to steal something in front of 20.000 people but bradley managed to do it I hope he is proud of hisself if vilda would of knocked his a@&@ out who could of blamed him .Why was the refs scared to kick him out if vilda would of done it he would of been gone looked like a basketball game to me

[FattRoll]

I agree with everyone and I think Vilda should have recieved 2 points 1 for the unsportsman like bull rush after the whistle and 1 for the illegal suplex afterwards especially since vilda recieved one for expressing his anger. And that stalling call was cr ap too.

[bent_leg_turk]

a few things No One can say anything to Dom Bradley about the match. He came in witha excellent game plan and did it to perfection. He was playing inside of the rules of getting the collar tie and short underhook and making look like Vilda was blocking off (because Wes is a head shorter than him) and driving him out of bounds.
My problem is with the ref A) Vilda was trying to circle and attempted the only offensive moves of the match. all the scrambles were initiated by Vilda.B) Vilda was pumbling while being pushed and circling. C) The ref showed no guts when Bradley Slammed Vilda. If it would have been any other round but the finals. Boom, Bradley is gone for a flagrent and and Vilda is dedcuted a team Point for unsportsman like condcuct. D) Vilda was hit for stalling with barely under a minute left...was he doing anything different that he was in the 1st or for that matter was bradley..NO. So why the 1 point stalling call. E) Why is it another case of the ref deciding the match instead of the kids.

a couple question to consider.
1) would the ref made the stall call if Bradley would have had choice in the 2nd period and had the choice in OT.
2) IF Vilda wouldn't have given a natural response would Bradley been thrown out.

This match was another case of the ref wanting to be the show, just like in many matches before this.

[Louden]

There was some blatant bad reffing in this tournament. None of it happened to our guys so I am not a biased angry fan either. Pee Wee screwing Arnold was on of the worst, and another terrible call that comes to mind-even though it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the match-the reffing on Chellew vs Wilczek was TERRIBLE!!!! How is it that when Chellew is on top furiously working for the crossface cradle can be called for stalling not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES!!!!!! My GOD! It was hideous! Wilczek would have won regardless but that is EXACTLY why Missouri kids CANNOT ride. Thanks to both those refs for making me sick to my stomache this tourney.

[Patriotfan]

well unfortunately Chellew's only move was the cross-face cradle. maybe the stall call wouldn't have been made if he ever attempted anything else. personally Chellew didn't impress me in that match and I was rather disappointed b/c I've seen him wrestle far better than he did then.

Would Bradley of gotten disqualified if Hagerty wasn't his coach?

[Coe]

I have been watching the state tourney for over 25 years and this was the most amazing event I have witnessed. Anybody else have thoughts on an event that tops this one?

[Robotech]

There were 3 other matches going on with 4 different whistles blowing at various times. There were many times where wrestlers were confused as to whether the whistle blown was the one on their mat. All wrestlers are taught to keep wrestling until they are sure that their whistle is the one that is blown. At the same time that particular whistle was blown there was an event on Mat #1 that caused a big roar from the crowd in that section. I was on the ground level and it was very hard to distinguish whether the whistle was blown. If Dom was flagrantly trying to harm Wes he wouldn't try to wrestle him to the ground he would just flat out punch him. I believe it was a borderline Unsportsmanlike call let alone classifying it as flagrant. He was continuing to wrestle hard until he knew for sure the whistle was blown. What Wes did was by definition flagrant misconduct.

[stillman]

Robotech,
I was in the front row.

You call Bradley charging from about 10-12 feet away, spearing Wes in the back, spinning and lifting Wes over his head and slamming him into the mat out of bounds, "wrestling him to the ground"??

Then Wes responding verbally was "by definition, flagrant"?

What planet are you from?

Keep in mind that I am not a fan of either program. In my opinion what Bradley did was a cheap shot at best.

[fudge tunnel]

Jon Trenge launched an opponent out of bounds after the whistle and was dq'd from the match, suspended by his coach and had to seek anger management counseling. Apparently college wrestlers are held to a higher standard.

[hammer madness]

i look forward to next year when these 2 can mix it up again. it's a shame
the refs were so indecisive. i thought when the brawl broke out and the coaches came on the the mat, that blue spring's coach cox, could have
easily been the last one standing. just my humble opinion.

[washingtoons]

I have watched the tape of the match three times,and still can't believe my eyes.Even if he didn't hear the whistle,what kind of wrestler runs across the mat and attacks a guy with his back to him?.I'll give him credit,it was the first "action" that he initiated the whole match."Hooking up" with a colar tie and pushing your opponent out of bounds is hardly any "strategy" that i've ever heard of.Did any one notice the coach pointing to get 'Bull" to attack Vilda?.

Does anyone have the tape of the Vilda/Bradley brawl in digital format? THat would be awesome if we could watch it like the Moore/Wolk and Caputo/Moore matchups earlier this year

[fudge tunnel]

i thought when the brawl broke out and the coaches came on the the mat, that blue spring's coach cox, could have
easily been the last one standing. just my humble opinion.

Cox and Brink would have been fun to watch... :D

From examiner.net

"Bradley's match drew the attention of the entire Hearnes Center as he and Vilda were both hit for an unsportsmanlike point after Bradley continued to wrestle after the whistle.

Vilda shouted obscenities at Bradley before was wrangled in by his coaches, who then responded to Blue Springs fans by throwing an obscene gesture into the stands.

Irate fans threw objects onto the mat and the match was disrupted for three minutes. When it resumed, the soft-spoken Bradley prevailed by a point to capture his first title.

"I didn't hear the whistle, and for that, I apologize," Bradley said. "Wrestling's just an emotional sport. I just have to stay under control and keep my cool. Hopefully, I'll have him again next year."

"

http://www.examiner.net/stories/022105/ ... 5025.shtml (http://www.examiner.net/stories/022105/spo_022105025.shtml)

[fudge tunnel]

Geez, talk about slanted journalism

[Louden]

Geez, talk about slanted journalism

I second that.

Soft spoken Bradley and Vilda who had to be wrangled in by his coaches. LOL!!!

[Takedown06]

So Vilda was taking shots and was called for stalling? How exactly does that work?

[Patriotfan]

If you wrestle in Missouri long enough, you will soon find out how it works... that's just how the Missouri refs do it.

[THE FAT SHALL OVERCOME]

ok two things:
1) when this entire event occured I don't care where you were, you saw vilda go flying through the air IN A SUPLEX. the suplex is an ILLEGAL MOVE. that should have been one point right there.
2) and two, if vilda had just taken that and let himself get suplexed, would the ref have done anything about it.

[fudge tunnel]

I just re-read that piece in the Examiner. I suggest everyone else go there, too. Talk about poorly researched (Caputo getting his 3rd undefeated championship) and slanted. He commented on the Vilda/Bradley match as if he wasn't even there. Not sure if he was there. I like how everything was Vilda's fault...he's the bad guy, and no mention of the illegal slam. What a joke

[beaudoin]

Oh to be as wise in the ways of journalism as people named 'fudge tunnel' and 'Darth Bader'....geez....what exactly does 'slanted journalism' mean? Was a leaning over when I wrote the story????

OK, here goes....Caputo's three-time unbeaten report was wrong. He is just a two-time unbeaten champ, three-time champion, and a wrestler that I have followed since before his freshman year. That was a mistake in my story and I will admit to that one.

But you cannot dispute any other details in my story. And yes, I was down on the floor, closer than any of you, for the duration of the match and the entire finals, for that matter.

Dom DID continue to wrestle after the whistle and Vilda DID lose control (I think we all heard what he screamed). And, his coaches DID have to wrangle him in and cover his mouth. BOTH wrestlers were hit for an unsportsmanlike point.

Can you dispute any of these details? No.

For the record, my name is John Beaudoin, I do cover the heck out of Missouri wrestling and I don't hide behind silly nicknames. My e-mail is john.beaudoin@examiner.net and my direct line is (816) 350-6348. Feel free to discuss this with me anytime.

Since you were on the floor. What did you think of Mr. Gag jumping the rail?

[Louden]

Awww someone can't take criticism. Most everyone here knows who Fudge and I are and everyone was invited to Happy Hour to meet up, so we don't hide at all.

You're story was a bit slanted in ours and others opinions.

[fudge tunnel]

I'm not disputing any of the details, I'm just saying you left quite a bit out to...obviously to make Vilda out to be the bad guy. All you said was "Bradley continued to wrestle after the whistle". Why didn't you say that maybe Vilda was upset because Bradley illegally slammed him after the whistle. That would have been an illegal slam even if the whistle had not blown. Jon Trenge did the same thing and was dq'd in his match, and was suspended by his coach, and had to go to anger management. I guess the only way to be suspended in Blue Springs is the beat up a retarded kid.

You should go work for the NY Times. They like writers who cover only 1 side of the story.

[beaudoin]

Thanks for your input, Darth. I think you have missed my point, so you may want to sit the rest of this one out. I've taken on my critics just fine, thank you.

Fudge, you are suggesting that I should somehow guess why Vilda was so upset. That's not what journalists do. And you keep talking about this slam and kid that was dq'd and so one and so on....who cares? That didn't happen in this match. If what Dom did rose to the occasion of being thrown out, then he most likely would have been. Obviously, it did not.

Thanks for your input, Darth. I think you have missed my point, so you may want to sit the rest of this one out. I've taken on my critics just fine, thank you.

Fudge, you are suggesting that I should somehow guess why Vilda was so upset. That's not what journalists do. And you keep talking about this slam and kid that was dq'd and so one and so on....who cares? That didn't happen in this match. If what Dom did rose to the occasion of being thrown out, then he most likely would have been. Obviously, it did not.

You need to take your Hagerty colored glasses off.

And you keep talking about this slam and kid that was dq'd and so one and so on....who cares?

This is what happens when you meet good officiating. Maybe like the officiating Hagerty did at the National duals when he skipped out on the Winnetonka tournament?

[hammer madness]

john beaudoin are you living vicariously through the blue spring's wrestling team or are you just fond of male teenagers (youths) in their singlets?

[beaudoin]

I guess when you run out of good points to make, you start attacking other people, Frank? That sounds about right.

I tell you what, you guys keep doing what you are doing, and I'll keep writing about Missouri wrestling and working to keep the sport on the front pages of newspapers, and we'll see who has contributed more at the end of the day (HINT: It won't be you guys or your nicknames).

[MU_Alum]

John,

You should just stop now, you are making yourself, the blue springs program, and your employer the examiner look very bad.

[Btownkid]

Frank the tank- Does anyone have the tape of the Vilda/Bradley brawl in digital format? THat would be awesome if we could watch it like the Moore/Wolk and Caputo/Moore matchups earlier this year

Does anyone have the match on tape that they can post on the internet?

[Louden]

Thanks for your input, Darth. I think you have missed my point, so you may want to sit the rest of this one out. I've taken on my critics just fine, thank you.

I don't think you have. No one disputed that WHAT you said was inaccurate, but it wasn't the full story. You could just have easily mentioned the illegal slam when Bradley hit Vilda from behind when Vilda had turned his back and wasn't even looking. Instead your story gave off the impression that Vilda was the bad seed when he was justly pissed off. I know I would have been. You could have said something to allow people to relate with Vilda. You did not.

[fudge tunnel]

Fudge, you are suggesting that I should somehow guess why Vilda was so upset. That's not what journalists do. .

I'm not asking you to guess why Vilda was upset, we all know that. I'm simply suggesting you tell the whole story, not the one that makes Blue Springs look like the poor little lamb being taken to slaughter by the Big Bad Vilda!

I wonder what would be said if Vilda did the same thing to Bradley? .....particularly in the Examiner. I can see the headline now, "CRAZY ST. LOUIS MADMAN TRIES TO KILL OUR OWN DOM BRADLEY"

[beaudoin]

MU Alum, thanks but I am not speaking for the Blue Springs program. I am speaking for myself. If you have anything to discuss further, you've got my number and e-mail. Since The Examiner is dedicated to covering wrestling and promoting the sport, I don't see your point.

Fudge....nice headline, but I doubt it would fit in five columns.

[fudge tunnel]

BTW.... "Irate fans threw objects onto the mat"

1 fan threw 1 pen on the mat.....certainly not condoning what he did, obviously it was stupid. Just pointing out a little yellow journalism.

[southside]

Just my two cents.

-Even if Bradley didn't hear the whistle, he didn't attempt to take Vilda down. He suplexed him. There is no logical explanation why Bradley would do this in a folkstyle match. That is completely bogus. He should have been tossed out.

-Everyone who was there saw what actually happened. You can't help it if some guy writes a bad article sugarcoating what actually happened. Oh well, just be glad you got to see it I suppose.

[lovekc]

Mr. Beaudoin,
Not to interrupt, but you don't see the point?! Stevie Wonder can see the friggin' point. An illegal move is illegal either before OR after the whistle, and the way the story was told in the article was completely biased.

[Old Panther]

Mr. Beaudoin,
Not to interrupt, but you don't see the point?! Stevie Wonder can see the friggin' point. An illegal move is illegal either before OR after the whistle, and the way the story was told in the article was completely biased.

After reading this article and Beaudoin's responses to comments made here, it seems the point is very clear. Don't any of you understand? You cannot believe your own lying eyes and ears, you should believe an unbiased and completely factual document written by someone of such obviously superior intelligence that only his words will mark time and leave a history of what REALLY happened. How dare any of us to question that a wrestling official (having been one, I can attest that we NEVER miss a call or make a bad call. How could that be, we are Ref's, not simply humans!) or what a journalist might do, say or write! We should realize the importance of such an individual who will make or break all of these young men by his words and that all are judged only by what is written in the papers. I know my parrot will certainly be reading Beaudoin's fine words on the bottom of his cage, right where those words belong.

Thank you, and if you would like to contact me directly, my email addres is KMRS@aol.com, for your convenience.

[CadetFan]

Just some thoughts and yes I am a CBC Fan, Former Coach and I know Wes, I also did not see the match but have been following the thoughts on here very close.

Hypothetically speaking if the official was intimidated by the coaches or did him any favors or did not make the tough call because of the magnitude of the match then he is WRONG. Period end of story. My guess is that they maybe they wanted to toss both kids but did not want to deal with it.

To the journalist from KC, the fact that you felt it necessary to defend yourself on more than one occasion on this message board indicates to me that you might be drinking wildcat kool aid, however my issues with your article are in the fact the BLUE SPRINGS is the lead of an article about the state wrestling tournament when OAK PARK won the championship. WHY? is this the area you cover and why do I not see any other links to articles by any other journalists about the tournament in dispute from KC.

But I know that will be viewed as an attack. 3 Oak Park wrestlers won the tournament and are basically an afterthought in your article. What a diservice to those kids and that program.

Park Hill won the Class 3 title and did not even get a mention in your article.

I am no journalist and I was not up close and personal to this match, but maybe you should take a clue from your friend at the Star
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/sports/high_school/10945406.htm?1c

or from the STL's post
http://prepsports.stltoday.com/ssi/prep/stories2005.nsf/wrestling/story/C53BBA53FAE7133886256FAE0082E35E?OpenDocument&Headline=%3Cfont+size%3D0%3EWrestling%3A+Missouri+ Championships%3C%2Ffont+size%3E%3Cb

These articles were much more balanced in their reporting.

[fudge tunnel]

my issues with your article are in the fact the BLUE SPRINGS is the lead of an article about the state wrestling tournament when OAK PARK won the championship. WHY? is this the area you cover and why do I not see any other links to articles by any other journalists about the tournament in dispute from KC.

But I know that will be viewed as an attack. 3 Oak Park wrestlers won the tournament and are basically an afterthought in your article. What a diservice to those kids and that program.

Park Hill won the Class 3 title and did not even get a mention in your article.


The Examiner generally covers eastern Jackson County, which includes Blue Springs, Lee's Summit, Oak Grove, Independence, and so on.

[obiefan]

And Blue Springs also had two undefeated wrestlers in Louis Caputo (189) and Jaron Baston (275). Caputo tied the state record for most wins in a season with a 52-0 record.

Louis broke the record this year. he set the record last year and now this year set a new record.

[Louden]

And Blue Springs also had two undefeated wrestlers in Louis Caputo (189) and Jaron Baston (275). Caputo tied the state record for most wins in a season with a 52-0 record.

Louis broke the record this year. he set the record last year and now this year set a new record.

The single season win record? No, Cody broke it, and then Louis tied it.

[fudge tunnel]

Ba-zing!

[northco]

My favorite line in the article was that Vilda AShot a obsene Gesture to the BS crowd...what match was he watching I was there and saw none and My eyes where on the CBC contingent.Because he was restrained.

I tend to Believe that Bradley didn't hear the whistle..but the sup was a bit much.

[bent_leg_turk]

My favorite is that Bradley rushed him from behind to tackle Vilda..and still couldn't take him down. Vilda even broke out of the Suplex quick so no points.
I guess this answers the age old question...How do you not give up a offensive point all season and still not win State...leave it to the refs.

[fudge tunnel]

How do you not give up a offensive point all season and still not win State...leave it to the refs.

I think that pretty much answers it.

[NC Play-Cuzins]

How about those Cardinals?

[CadetFan]

My mistake fudge on the coverage of the newspaper. Still my other points stand and I am with turk no offensive points given up and no state championship.

Next year will be very interesting, to bad these two will not meet till state God willing.

[fudge tunnel]

How about those Cardinals?

I think they will be much better next year, particularly if they sign Bledsoe, and possibly Shaun Alexander. Plus, it helps that Emmit retired. Denny Green should turn them into a better team.

[dentdoc08]

Just out of curiosity, but can anything be done, after the fact, to reverse the decision of this match? For example, we saw in the Olympics this summer how Korea tried to get the gold back. Is there any sort of similar process? I only question it for this match because an obvious illegal move was made and nothing was done. There should be some sort of appeals process and action taken. It seems that what happened is making the BS program look pretty bad. Just my opinion.

[oxman]

Any appeal should be made BEFORE the wrestlers leave the mat....
No video is allowed....
The question of legality of a hold is up to the determination of the official...
Although there is no doubt that an illegal slam is not allowed, it is still up to the
official to determine if it WAS an illegal slam(in his/her opinion)...

Please....please...please....keep litigation out of wrestling.....
Sometimes the officials make mistakes.....It is all part of the sport...
Just my opinion....
8)

[dentdoc08]

I agree with you on the litigation part. I was just curious. Too many times refs are blowing the matches. Thanks ox.

[hammer madness]

How about those Cardinals?

I think they will be much better next year, particularly if they sign Bledsoe, and possibly Shaun Alexander. Plus, it helps that Emmit retired. Denny Green should turn them into a better team.

bledsoe signed with the cowboys.

[fudge tunnel]

ewww, I didn't know that.

[MG_Grievous]

and possibly Shaun Alexander.


He got hit with the franchise tag.

[fudge tunnel]

Well, it looks like the Cards are going to suck again.

[FattRoll]

now this story sounds a little closer to actual events. It must just be a better journalist.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/neighb ... =2%2Cvilda (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/neighborhoods/stories.nsf/sports/story/004A5E793F51E34286256FB0005F1B22?OpenDocument&highlight=2%2Cvilda)

[fudge tunnel]

That pic pretty much tells the story of the match....underhooks and pushing.

[fanatic]

Can we let this story die. There was no conspiracy, a good match that was decided by the referee's discetion of stalling. Dom was penalized for the throw, Vilda penalized for the language. I am sure we will see them next year.

[NC Play-Cuzins]

"Winning without honor is far less
noble than not winning at all."

[bent_leg_turk]

Actually Fanatic,
I would Like to Let it go..but this is the problem. Refs want to make the game breaking call or insert their athority in a match all the time...except when it is a time that it is really needed. I'm sorry, I truly believe that Bradley Didn't hear the whistle....But He still should have been thrown out of the match. To say that he didn't hear the whistle and Then still suplexed Vilda. Well, Ok you didn't hear the Whistle, but Why did you do the Illegal Move.
It is like saying I didn't know the gun was loaded...Well, Why did you have the gun in your hand at all.

The ref was to afraid to make that call in finals against one of the big coaches. If you don't think that is a issue you are kidding yourself. I have seen for years Hegarty, Mayabb, Glasgow, Dorman, Martin, Streb, and Assorted others Intimidate and excert their Influence on the refs andget away with Murder. This is nothing against the coaches because they have worked to be able to do this by building excellent programs and working their butts off. It is the old saying "to the victor, goes the spoils."

If that ref throws Bradley out of the tournament He knows He will not be reffing at state next year. Do you think he would have made the same call if it would have been Diamond Vs. West Platte or Chaminade Vs. Rockhurst... Nope, He would have thrown that wrestler out.

Also, By him making that non-call he was basically saying that I'll let the wrestlers decide..But I'll Hit the Kid for stalling with less than a minute left


When Are refs going to Learn what the heck Stalling really is. If a Kid Has a russian, Double Unders, or Collar Underhook Tie and is Walking Me out of Bounds. That is not an Offensive move it is a tie and he has to do something with it. If He consistently Works to the same tie and Consistenly Walks me out of Bounds then he is actually Stalling because he is avoiding action.

As I said before excellent strategy By BS to get the call. That is what they were working for the whole match. If it works Cool.

As far as Mr. Beaudion's Biased Journalism... I understand that you Write for Blue Springs and You have to give a Blue Springs Slant... I have no problem with that. We in st. Louis Wish We could get the Kind of Coverage you provide the KC area...But don't get on here and act like you are completely unbiased and didn't slant the article and that you are above Reproach. I was mat side as well. You tell me When and Were Vilda made a obscene Gesture. Did you see it? Cause I sure didn't. You also Try to Paint Vilda as a classless individual which is the exact opposite. Did He pout or make a stink after the Match or act like a Poor sport ..No he did Not. We all understand you have a job and it is to make the local boys look the best they posibly can be. But don't act like you didn't slant the article just a little.

[fudge tunnel]

Actually Fanatic,
If that ref throws Bradley out of the tournament He knows He will not be reffing at state next year.
:idea: I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Well said, Turk.

[obiefan]

My god! I was not there due to my wart surgery :-D

here we go, if you are a wrestler and you are in a state final match and you are pumped to the max and giving your all.... it would be very easy to not hear the whistle.

i have witnessed many times at state and other tournaments, the whistle is blown and the wrestlers continue until the ref taps them.

when you are in the heat of battle and the crowd is screaming and you really, really want to win. you dont think it can occur? I know Dom he is a really great kid.

And from what I understand the CBC coach made the offensive gesture to the fans. With the italian families in the audience, the gesture was very offensive :shock:

[fudge tunnel]

Oh boy, here we go again...

http://www.examiner.net/stories/022505/ ... 5017.shtml (http://www.examiner.net/stories/022505/spo_022505017.shtml)

My favorte from STLtoday:

"Vilda, the defending 215-pound champion, was the victim of, at best, a guy with potatoes in his ears or at worst a cheap shot."

[fudge tunnel]

"The final became heated when Bradley didn't hear a whistle and kept wrestling Vilda after he had turned his back. "

That's exactly the way it happened... :lol:

[obiefan]

sorry may seem slanted but he is right on.
the parents are the problem in the stands not the kids... i have watched it from little league on and not just wrestling but football, cheerleading, basketball and soccer.
If you raise your child that they are better than every other child they do tend to believe that and have a very warped outlook on life. and how my sons or daughter do on the battlefield has no reflection on what a great parent i am :shock:

I did not coach them or teach them their chosen sport, but ill be damned if they are going to have attitude they are better than so and so because they beat that kid in a wrestling match PLEASE


FZW displayed some odd behavior last year....the parents, not the kids!

and some of the morons that post on here have little class and say they love the sport? give me a break, they just like to cause problems since they have no other form of entertainment in their life......

Have a great weekend typing away you morons!

and some of the morons that post on here have little class and say they love the sport? give me a break, they just like to cause problems since they have no other form of entertainment in their life......

Have a great weekend typing away you morons!


Feeling lonely?

[fudge tunnel]

Have a great weekend typing away you morons!

The good thing is...you know you've won the argument when people resort to calling you names.

[obiefan]

heres the thing number 1 moron where is exactly the argument? you set up multiple threads on the same thing and give no legitimate facts to support your view. you just seem to ramble and then proceed to degrad adults and young adults as your form of entertainment. i think you need to purchase a tv, dvd player and rent some movies instead.

[FattRoll]

That Blue Springs articles still fail to mention the illegal slam that their gentle giant of Blue Springs laid upon Vilda. Just write about the entire incident and no discussion will be needed. The whole story is Bradley slammed Vilda after the whistle. Vilda yelled at Bradley. The ref decided that they wanted Bradley to win so they game the match to him. End of story.

[fudge tunnel]

heres the thing number 1 moron where is exactly the argument? you set up multiple threads on the same thing and give no legitimate facts to support your view. you just seem to ramble and then proceed to degrad adults and young adults as your form of entertainment. i think you need to purchase a tv, dvd player and rent some movies instead.

Ummm, are you drunk? What the hell are you talking about?

[obiefan]

not drunk trying to find a suppository that contains poison to clean out your warped tunnel

[Louden]

heres the thing number 1 moron where is exactly the argument? you set up multiple threads on the same thing and give no legitimate facts to support your view. you just seem to ramble and then proceed to degrad adults and young adults as your form of entertainment. i think you need to purchase a tv, dvd player and rent some movies instead.

Let me get this straight, you will be damned if you let your kids think or act like they are better than the next guy but then it's okay for you to call other people morons and tell them what they need to do with their life?

*cough* Hypocrite! *cough*

[Louden]

not drunk trying to find a suppository that contains poison to clean out your warped tunnel

Is this also what you teach your kids? :twisted:

Right now, you are one of those parents in the stands.

[obiefan]

see here is where you always have proved yourself swine.
my kids would look at someone like you and know the definition of a moron. they are not better than you but they sure as hell would never act like you and your buddies.

and i am ashamed that i stooped to your levels, but i am just tired of your stupid ass attitudes and the gall you have on some of your posts.

it is abusive it used to be funny but now it just is so lame :twisted:

see here is where you always have proved yourself swine.
my kids would look at someone like you and know the definition of a moron. they are not better than you but they sure as hell would never act like you and your buddies.

and i am ashamed that i stooped to your levels, but i am just tired of your stupid *** attitudes and the gall you have on some of your posts.

it is abusive it used to be funny but now it just is so lame :twisted:

I hope my kids (that I know of) will grow up like you.

[Louden]

see here is where you always have proved yourself swine.
my kids would look at someone like you and know the definition of a moron. they are not better than you but they sure as hell would never act like you and your buddies.

and i am ashamed that i stooped to your levels, but i am just tired of your stupid *** attitudes and the gall you have on some of your posts.

it is abusive it used to be funny but now it just is so lame :twisted:

Sorry. Maybe if I start complaining about other people and start telling other people how they should be living their lives then you won't consider me part of the "moron crew".

Do you see me telling others how to go about their business or do you see me whining? Ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, you are the bad guy (I mean gal)? I think that I seem to be a more tolerant person than you.

BTW, I want to help out my grandma with some research since she is older and gets tired easy. How much does wart removal cost nowadays? She's got a big one right on her nose. :twisted:

[obiefan]

you just prove yourself to the world over and over dont you swine.

[Louden]

you just prove yourself to the world over and over dont you swine.

I guess... :joker

[MG_Grievous]

This might help, unless it's REALLY big.


http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/14356/200.jpg

[fudge tunnel]

:?:

http://adam.about.com/encyclopedia/1511.htm

:puke

[trapsfb]

who cares, the match is over and bradley won, you guys could do this for every match b/c something illegal happens every time two wrestlers step out on the mat, let it go. give bradley some credit!

[FattRoll]

the discussion isn't about the match anymore it is about perspective. The two perspectives are the Blue Spings people and everyone else who saw the match.

[FattRoll]

I would also just like to add that this match does not in any way diminish the great reputation that the Blue Springs wrestling program has. They are one of the best wrestling programs in the state and they have proved that for years. The only people I feel were wrong in this match were the officals. But what's done is done. And there is always next year.

[oxman]

Three points:
1)In my opinion, Mr. Beaudoin is a very good journalist.
All sports writers slant in the direction of the local team....No big deal..
I do feel that it was important to the story to at least mention that what Bradley did was an ILLEGAL HOLD!!
It does not matter if it was intentional or not....
It does not matter if it was out-of-bounds...
It does not matter if the match is over....
It does not matter if the whistle blew or not....
It does not matter if there is 60 seconds left in the period....
It does not matter if Vilda was relaxed and defenseless....
It is plain and simple...An ILLEGAL HOLD!!!

2)Mr. Beaudoin mentioned that BOTH wrestlers were penalized for UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT...
I am NOT sure if this is true or not...If it IS true....
Then, IN ADDITION to the unsportsmanlike penalty, Bradley should have been penalized for
the ILLEGAL hold(slam)...One more point....
If on the other hand, Bradley was never penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct, BUT an illegal hold(slam)....
Then, the official made the correct call, according to HIS judgement...
Although, the ref has the option of ruling it FLAGRANT....meaning disqualification....
He may rule that it was unintentional and simply overly-aggressive wrestling..
That is the official's decision...
I have seen it called both ways about 50%-50%.....

3)IF it was ruled an ILLEGAL SLAM....not unsportsmanlike...
(I am still not sure what the penalty was exactly)
THEN, Vilda would have recovery-time to decide if he was able to continue wrestling...
If Vilda or his coaches decided that they could NOT continue, Vilda WINS by disqualification...
IF this was the case, some credit should be given to CBC for NOT following the
route that several others have taken during the last few years...

8)

[wrestlr]

trapsfb,

I have been involved with wrestling for a while now, both as a wrestler and a volunteer coach. I don't know where you have been wrestling, but illegal moves do NOT happen every match. On the whole, most matches I watch or wrestle in are good clean hard fought matches where both wrestlers follow the rules. Not to mention that the move in question was a flagrently illegal move AFTER time had stopped. I don't give credit to cheaters.

[Louden]

trapsfb,

I have been involved with wrestling for a while now, both as a wrestler and a volunteer coach. I don't know where you have been wrestling, but illegal moves do NOT happen every match. On the whole, most matches I watch or wrestle in are good clean hard fought matches where both wrestlers follow the rules. Not to mention that the move in question was a flagrently illegal move AFTER time had stopped. I don't give credit to cheaters.

Be careful, trapsfb might call you names and threaten to beat you up.

[wrestlr]

No worries, Darth Bader. His immaturity doesn't really bother me. Plus, he has to get back to the weight room, his arms are getting smaller! Wouldn't be the first meat head I had to tangle with (on or off the mat) and he certainly won't be the last. I always manage to hold me own.

Trabs, BRING IT ON BIG BOY! Lets see just how mature you are and how much time you spend on your computer making fun of people. Can't be that much. I think all that lifting might be shrinking your brain.

[Louden]

Trabs, BRING IT ON BIG BOY! Lets see just how mature you are and how much time you spend on your computer making fun of people. Can't be that much. I think all that lifting might be shrinking your brain.

Oh now you've done it. [-X

[trapsfb]

Listen, all you people that use lil queer names to cover you identities. Its me, Billy Conger, i dont care if you know its me, lets go Darth, you want your money on the bet, come meet me when i come home on spring break and i'll be sure to give you your money! All you guys do is sit on here and criticize and talk ____, like you know what the fuk is going on, i dont care what you say, talk all the ____ttt you want, BIG BOY is speaking his word, and i'll straight bak up what i'm saying, so darth, you want your money from the bet, call me, 314-239-1977! Fagot ____tt talkers!

[MG_Grievous]

Listen, all you people that use lil queer names to cover you identities. Its me, Billy Conger, i dont care if you know its me, lets go Darth, you want your money on the bet, come meet me when i come home on spring break and i'll be sure to give you your money! All you guys do is sit on here and criticize and talk ****, like you know what the fuk is going on, i dont care what you say, talk all the ____ttt you want, BIG BOY is speaking his word, and i'll straight bak up what i'm saying, so darth, you want your money from the bet, call me, 314-239-1977! Fagot ____tt talkers!


Hahahahahah. Prepare to be permabanned you queer boy. That's 3 this week!!

You're just mad because your ex-girlfriend was a slut and screwed you over. :lol:

You give white trash a bad name.

[fudge tunnel]

and i'll straight bak up what i'm saying, so darth, you want your money from the bet, call me, 314-239-1977! Fagot ____tt talkers!

:lol: Oh boy, now THAT'S some funny stuff there.

Little Billy, if you don't like what's being said on here........hmmmm :-k .........don't come on here. Go do something else. You're getting this worked up over a little message board banter? You should probably cut down on the Anabol or Winstrol or Genotropin or whatever steroid you kids are doing these days.

[MG_Grievous]

Look out, big bad Billy badass is angry.

http://www.coral-lab.org/~gac1/images/angry.JPG

[fanatic]

It probably time to put this thread to bed.

[MG_Grievous]

Fudge,

Did Billy Badass get into your medicine box and steal your steroids? I'm gonna have to update my book now. :evil:

[wrestlefan19]

90% of the time when a person on here claims to be a certain wrestler, especially such a talented, high profile wrestler...they are usually lyin

[MG_Grievous]

Mr. Big Bad Billy Badass,

Would you like a wowwy pop? You can share it with your underage hubby, because a wowwy pop is your favorite treat after some pedophilia.

[wrestlefan19]

oh and before we went to insults I noticed everyone calling bradley "bull" Bradley
go back to the beginning youll notice my post where I said BULL bradley blah blah blah
what I meant to say was it was a bull call, explanation but..
since Bull bradley has become a popular nickname well pretend I meant to create a new nickname for him

[MG_Grievous]

He's probably drunk, so he's feeling 10 ft tall and bulletproof. Him and Bader have had heat before, so it's him. He's mad because his girlfriend was a slut.

[wrestlr]

Bader, I think maybe we pissed Ole Billy Boy off. Does Billy need his daiper changed? Maybe he needs to be put down for a nap, he seems a little grumpy. Conger, if that really is you, grow up. Theres no point in getting pissed at the boards, it doesnt do anything but prove how dumb you can really be.

[klhill]

What's a daiper?

[wrestlefan19]

if i got mad at the boards everytime someone disagreed with or badmouthed me......Jonathan would be hearing from my lawyer a lot!


Oh and Billy thx for posting your number :wink:
I will soon find out if that is the real number


let the prank calls begin

[MG_Grievous]

We have had our first 'roid attack on MissouriWrestling.com. \:D/





You know you're owned when you get so mad you post your phone number, calling everyone out. You're also not smart enough to keep up with people by using your mind, so you resort to the "I'll kick everyone's ass" white trash routine. You backed yourself into a corner, and are desperate for a way out.

Big Bad Billy Badass, don't try to cut your hair while your daddy is pumping you from behind.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/mg_grievous/thOwned_Shave.jpg










Pumping him full of 'roids you dirty bastards.

[Louden]

Listen, all you people that use lil queer names to cover you identities. Its me, Billy Conger, i dont care if you know its me, lets go Darth, you want your money on the bet, come meet me when i come home on spring break and i'll be sure to give you your money! All you guys do is sit on here and criticize and talk ****, like you know what the fuk is going on, i dont care what you say, talk all the ____ttt you want, BIG BOY is speaking his word, and i'll straight bak up what i'm saying, so darth, you want your money from the bet, call me, 314-239-1977! Fagot ____tt talkers!

First off, I don't buy that you're Billy Conger. I've talked with Billy Conger before and he was a level headed guy-which you don't seem to be.

Second, what are you talking about with this "sh!t talking"? Go back and reread the "Fox Tournament" from the beginning. The ONLY person that was "talking sh!t" was you. People on the boards where just talking normally about the dual meet and you got on with an attitude from nowhere and started BOTH the insults AND the bet. So wtf are you complaining about? You're the only one who has been doing the things that you just complained about. I simply accepted YOUR bet.

And third, I will meet up to collect my money when I win. I think you are insinuating that we should fight-which is just stupid. If you got that much energy and anger in you then why don't you sign up to fight in the Rum Jungle like another recent Fox grad did. :lol:

[MG_Grievous]

I don't buy that you're Billy Conger. I've talked with Billy Conger before and he was a level headed guy-which you don't seem to be.


1. Look at his email: wdc5348@mwsc.edu

2. Then go here: https://webreg.mwsc.edu/studentinfo/Sta ... ectory.asp (https://webreg.mwsc.edu/studentinfo/StartUpStudentDirectory.asp)

3. Type in "Conger."


They match.

Congrats to Billy. Nice post.

[MG_Grievous]

314-239-1977


Billy might be getting some early morning calls.

[Vanilla Gorilla]

MG, That is FREAKIN LOW!! but funny.

[spartansfan]

No stall call complaints here. Ken Stewart of HE pinned Vilda in 3rd winning 9-3.

[wrestlr]

allright, who wants to take bets on how long before billy boy has to change is phone number. I got $5 on 3 weeks 8)

[techfall02]

yea, i saw that match today also. Vilda got smoked by Ken Stewart of Haz East.

[7wells]

what match is it that vilda got stuck?

[7wells]

and who is ken stewart?

[techfall02]

7wells,

The AAU state was held at Hazelwood West today, and Vilda wrestled Stewart in the finals and Stewart beat him pretty bad. Stewart, i believe, was inelgible to wrestle this year.

[bent_leg_turk]

He threw him Twice.
1st Period:2-1 Vilda, Vilda hit a Nice combo foot sweep and pass by.
2nd perid: Stewart cuts Vilda :20 seconds left then Stewart Counters Vida's Trip with a beautiful Over under . 6-3 going into the 3rd
Vilda cutr and stewarrt was smart playing defense and he let VIlda Over extend himself and get out of Position. BAM. Head and arm and it was tight. Nice match.
Stewart was a state qualfier last year and was 21-1 this year when he didn't make grades. He will be back next year.

[THE FAT SHALL OVERCOME]

wrestlr wrote:
I give it 3 weeks b4 he has to change his #
me and my gang of idiots have money to spend and nothing to spend it on but phone cards.....do you think it will really take 3 weeks?

[wrmo2001]

You have to be a retard to put your phone # on a message board.

[Louden]

I still am not so sure that it really is Billy Conger. It may be someone who has access to his real # and email. The reason I am not so sure is because there was a situation last year where someone was posing as Conger and threatening to beat people up.

[george freemont]

Who did Stewart lose to and where? Sounds like he had a good record and when did he stop wrestling. What grade is he in???Thanks....

[spartansfan]

Stewart lost in 2OT to 2A CHamp from Owensville or Chillecothe at Berkeley Tourn. Then in the finals the young man defaulted to Ken. He is a Junior that is fun to watch. He will not sit on a lead.

[fudge tunnel]

Stewart lost in 2OT to 2A CHamp from Owensville or Chillecothe

Borgman is from Owensville and got 2nd this year at state.

[northco]

Yeah that ournament was pretty stacked this was the placing
1. Borgman-OW (2nd in Class 2)
2. Stewart-HE (returning Qualfier)
3. Crayton-Berk (returning Placer)
4. Cowherd-War (Class 1 Champ)
5. Ballard-U-City (CLass 3 qualfier)
6. Wright-(RIT) (Class 4 qualfier)
7. Bradley-Marceline (4th Class 1)

[Coward06]

borgmann got second he bet stewart once earlier in the day then had to injury default to him in the finals

[northco]

You are right Kyle

[washingtoons]

1.John Beaudoin is a guy who went to Ritenour in the late 70's early 80's and was a placer in state,so he has knowledge of wrestling without a doubt.
2.It is hard for me to believe that Mr. Conger would put himself "out there" like that,he always carried himself with dignity whether losing or winning.
3. What is up with the "Conger's girlfriend" stuff?!?.
4.It doesn't matter what Vilda does from now on,the fact of the matter is that he had his title taken from him,point blank.Mr. Bradley never initiated a move against him the ENTIRE match,except when Wilda turned his back on him.No one can dispute that.

[scboyer]

Can somebody give me an update of Ryan Sutton match for third place after he lost to the guy in the second round.

[Jerry Langdon]

re: Washingtoons point #1. John Beaudoin....

FYI it is not the John Beaudoin that attended Ritenour.

[stl-slugga]

yea this is ken stewart, yea ur right i lost to the guy from owensville in he quit the tournament with a injury default. yes i pinned vilda and i felt pretty good about that one but now i got my eyes on the person who beat vilda at the state tournamen so when yall can tell him i want him in a match, also i did get put out because of grades i've made that mistake an i want make it again so next year b looking for me to turn all heads next year. i can't wait.

[wrestle4life]

Okay, I have two points

1.) Though it is a dead conversation, that wasn't Billy Conger for a fact. His name on this board is Conger.

2.) Ken, I hope you realize what you have just done. Now you have a big X on your back. Evidentally you are a good wrestler to beat Vilda. However, like myself many times, he may have underestimated you and once you have that momentum, it's hard to shift. I would advise you to show a little humility but that's up to you.

[Louden]

1.) Though it is a dead conversation, that wasn't Billy Conger for a fact. His name on this board is Conger.

I never thought it was Conger. I learned that from last year when someone stirred up trouble calling himself Billy Conger and it turned out to be false. I wasn't going to believe it so quickly again.

All I have to say is whoever trapsfb is, he must be a total vag to be calling himself someone else in an unsuccessful attempt to intimidate others. Not to mention he is stirring up trouble/giving an innocent person a bad name (Billy).

[Leg Attack]

yea this is ken stewart, yea ur right i lost to the guy from owensville in he quit the tournament with a injury default. yes i pinned vilda and i felt pretty good about that one but now i got my eyes on the person who beat vilda at the state tournamen so when yall can tell him i want him in a match, also i did get put out because of grades i've made that mistake an i want make it again so next year b looking for me to turn all heads next year. i can't wait.

Bahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[wrestlefan19]

Vilda :smt117 Stewart

[stl-slugga]

wha is u sayin

[Leg Attack]

stl slugga......take your pick you can either pretend to be Billy or Kenny, not both.

[wrestlefan19]

Im sayin he is after you now
after that he would prbly cut to 112 if that is what it took to wrestle you
and now he will definetely be prepared

[the_new_guy]

Yes I was there at Hazelwood West for the aau state tournament, there were some good kids there too. Kenny this ain't the wwe so stop interviewing yourself. Instead of talking junk you should be preparing for the uncomming season. It's your sr. year and I'm tellin you be careful what you wish for. That was a nice match you and vilda had and nobody is taking anything away from you. YOU STUCK UM PRETTY GOOD! FAIR AND SQUAR!!!!!!!!!! Here that everybody it was fair and square and there was no getting up from that head lock. But I promise you that if you and vilda meet again it won't be easy or like the last match. Stay focused cause your weight class will be stacked next year. To your coach, you should incourage your wrestlers not to make dumb mistakes like the one your guy just made. Kenny you don't wanna be a mark! Theres a up and commer your gonna have to face if you stay at 215 in your district. You beet um before but he'll be a lot better next year I promise you that, but for now I'll just wait for the season. Good luck kenny and keep your grades up, this is you LAST SHOT. Cause if your unelgable I promise you nobody will remember for anything you did. GOOD LUCK MAN and work hard. Stay level headed everyone is waitin to see bradley vs vilda and nobody is expecting to see in the mix. So be like Quantirus Wilson and prove um wrong.

[the_new_guy]

Yes I was there at Hazelwood West for the aau state tournament, there were some good kids there too. Kenny this ain't the wwe so stop interviewing yourself. Instead of talking junk you should be preparing for the uncomming season. It's your sr. year and I'm tellin you be careful what you wish for. That was a nice match you and vilda had and nobody is taking anything away from you. YOU STUCK UM PRETTY GOOD! FAIR AND SQUAR!!!!!!!!!! Here that everybody it was fair and square and there was no getting up from that head lock. But I promise you that if you and vilda meet again it won't be easy or like the last match. Stay focused cause your weight class will be stacked next year. To your coach, you should incourage your wrestlers not to make dumb mistakes like the one your guy just made. Kenny you don't wanna be a mark! Theres a up and commer your gonna have to face if you stay at 215 in your district. You beet um before but he'll be a lot better next year I promise you that, but for now I'll just wait for the season. Good luck kenny and keep your grades up, this is you LAST SHOT. Cause if your unelgable I promise you nobody will remember for anything you did. GOOD LUCK MAN and work hard. Stay level headed everyone is waitin to see bradley vs vilda and nobody is expecting to see in the mix. So be like Quantirus Wilson and prove um wrong.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Mr. New Guy

Im sory butt yurposts am to difikult to reed. plees pruf-reed befor tiping such a lenthy massage.

Just a friendly tip from a concerned citizen.

[the_new_guy]

Yeah I guess your right, i kind of type fast. What I was trying to say was Stewart beeting Vilda was not luck. I was there and he hit vilda w/ a head and arm and an over under. Put him to his back twice and both were very tight. I was wanting Stewart to know ,that if that really was him. It would be in his best intrest to keep quite. He dosen't need a bulls eye on his chest, he was calling out Bradly and lookin past Vilda. If it was really him wouldn't you agree that, that was not a smart thing to do? He should be training because this is his last shot. If he dosen't take advantage of it then nobody will remember him and if they do it will be because he was the guy talking trash over a computer.

[wrestlefan19]

wait does any1 else remember when earlier in the year stl slugga came on saying yo yo this is Jamie Luckett?



pick a fake identity and stick with it plz

[Fist of Love]

:wink:

[Patriotfan]

A little late there don't ya think?

[BadBoy]

Do you think we've milked this thread enough (and all of the offshoots from it)? The season has officially begun and we are still hashing over last season's post. I suggest a 3 month expiration date from the beginning of a thread!

It's over, it's done, you are kicking a dead horse.

[TTcat]

just one more kick, please? :)

[fudge tunnel]

I'm sorry.......I'm bored and decided to *bump* this thread. Some fun reading in there for us message board oldtimers...

[Krondar]

did we ever get the name of the Baboon who refereed this match?

[Louden]

Circa 2005:

I think (the Cardinals) will be much better next year...

A true prophet!

[Louden]

I just reread the whole thing. I forgot how epic this thread was. I completely forgot about that crazy old bat obiefan-which reminds me of Austin Powers saying "mole" over and over-and Billy Conger roidraging on here. I heard later that it really was him and that he was out partying before posting that, and he later regretted it.

[fudge tunnel]

I just reread the whole thing. I forgot how epic this thread was. I completely forgot about that crazy old bat obiefan-which reminds me of Austin Powers saying "mole" over and over-and Billy Conger roidraging on here. I heard later that it really was him and that he was out partying before posting that, and he later regretted it.

Partying.......? With 'roids, blow and retard sandwiches?

And yes, Obiefan's face still reminds of me Kilimanjaro rising above the Serengeti...

I sure wish I could find that d@mn Adrian/Bobby Brewster thread :-x

[NC Play-Cuzins]

Where are they now?

Kenny Stewart - ?
Billy Conger - ?
Wes Vilda - ?
Dom Bradley - Ridin' the pine at Mizzou

[ridetheyard23]

Very interesting indeed. Thanks for digging that up. It shows that not much has changed in the MO wrestling world in terms of certain coaches intimidating certain reffs.

Things were certainly more lively around the message board 4-5 yrs ago.

Calling everyone out for a parking lot brawl! That's classic! LOL

I wish the links to the Examiner were still active.