Hazelwood Central Tourny

[Flinch]

Should be a tough tournament, especially for 112. The tournament is 1/7-1/8


Black Pool is Sumner, Lafayette, Rockhurst, Parkway West, Pattonville, and Rockwood Summit

Gold Pool is Hazelwood Central, Northwest, Rolla, Principia, Parkway South, and MICDS.


103
Gold Pool
Jake Waterkotte- Northwest
Joey Jetton- Hazelwood Central

Black Pool
Ashley Hudson- Lafayette


112
Gold Pool
Vito Krishke- Northwest
Wendall Jones- Hazelwood Central

Black Pool
Donte Butler- Sumner
Sterling Wheelis- Parkway West
Corey Diggs- Lafayette
Jon Freebersyer- Pattonville
Abbas Emamjome- Rockwood Summit


119
Gold Pool
Herb Krishke- Northwest

Black Pool
Mike Magharita- Lafayette
Jordan Young- Parkway West

125
Gold Pool
Vito Ingargiola- Northwest

Black Pool
Justin Michaels- Parkway West
Andrew Olejnik- Lafayette
Cartrell Brown- Sumner


130
Gold Pool
Reid Garcia- Parkway South
Matt Chandler- Northwest

Black Pool
George Young- Parkway West
Dondrell Harris- Lafayette

135
Gold Pool
Max Wattercotte- Northwest
Ryan Johnson- Hazelwood Central

Black Pool
Alex Boggs- Lafayette

140
Gold Pool
Todd Porter- Northwest
Dan Ortega- Rolla

Black Pool
Nathan Fine- Pattonville

145
Gold Pool
Charlie Morris- Hazelwood Central

Black Pool
Brian Patrick- Pattonville
Scott Chida- Lafayette

152
Gold Pool
Nick Uzzetta- Northwest
Brandon Pringle- Hazelwood Central
Bret Smith- Rolla

Black Pool
xx

160
Gold Pool
Rico Williams- Hazelwood Central
Allen Corzine- Northwest
Derek Thomas- Parkway South

Black Pool
Nate Orlando- Pattonville
Kevin Maher – MICDS

171
Gold Pool
xx

Black Pool
Josh Moore- Lafayette

189
Gold Pool
Ron Porter- Northwest

Black Pool
Matt Brewer- Lafayette


215
Gold Pool
Jason Lloyd- Hazelwood Central
Brad Aten- Northwest

Black Pool
Eddie Watkins- Parkway West
Quitan Bell- Lafayette
Ray Harris- Pattonville

275
Gold Pool
Brant Stokes- Hazelwood Central
Ray Patterson- Principia

Black Pool
Mike Rousch- Pattonville[/b]

[Louden]

So is this a dual meet format? A Tourney? Does anyone know the pools?

[Lou]

Two 6 team pools, dual each team in your pool. Top 4 individuals in each pool will enter an 8 man tourney bracket. Not sure how many rounds will be wrestled Friday (3 or 4 is my guess). I'll get info tomorrow when I drop by school and I'll post here.

[Louden]

Two 6 team pools, dual each team in your pool. Top 4 individuals in each pool will enter an 8 man tourney bracket. Not sure how many rounds will be wrestled Friday (3 or 4 is my guess). I'll get info tomorrow when I drop by school and I'll post here.

Please! I'm trying to work out my vacation for this year and I was planning on taking a day here or there to minimize a big impact on my commission and to see some good wrestling! I need to know what I'll be missing if I can't make it. 8)

[Drew Lilledahl]

3 matches fri (starts at 5:30pm) and 2 sat (starts @ 9:30am) in pools.

Black Pool is Sumner, Lafayette, Rockhurst, Parway West, Pattonville, and Summit

Gold Pool is Hazelwood Central, Northwest, Rolla, Principia, Parkway South, and MICDS.

Elimination begins at 1:30 pm on Sat.

Derek Thomas at 160 is for Parkway South, but if Coach Griffith wants to allow a transfer we'd take him :)

[Louden]

What are the chances of Butler and Krischke meeting up?

[Coach Head]

The plan is to get started ASAP Friday and wrestle until approx. 10:30. The thought is that we may get 4 rounds completed. If that occurs the 8-man bracket on Saturday will have full wrestle-backs.
If only 3 rounds are completed on Friday, the 8-man will be single elimination the first round.

Drew call Coach Paulsen @ 314-953-5400 ext 60298

[Louden]

Thanks Coach Head... er Head Coach... er whatever.... :?

[Flinch]

What are the chances of Butler and Krischke meeting up?

They won't on the first day, but on the second day I'd imagine that Vito will face Jones/Butler in the Semi's. If i were you Darth I'd come about 1:30 on Saturday :P

[Coach Head]

They have a chance of meeeting but it is not guaranteed. This weight class could prove to be outstanding. There might be a few sad kids when the weekend is over. good luck to all!

[dave]

Magharita - Lafayette went 112 at Desmet and Diggs went 119.

If Magharita is staying at 112 he should probably be HM at 112 instead of 119 HM.

[obnoxio]

The plan is to get started ASAP Friday

Does this mean you'll start before 5:30???

[Coach Head]

It will depend when the teams involved show up for weigh-ins. If they are done smoothly and quickly we may start a little early. This is not a guarantee.

[TDC]

Any first day results?

[Lou]

Qualifiers for the 8 man championship brackets, which will begin at 9:30am.

103 - black pool

Joe Jetton (HC) 5-0
Tyler Stahlman (NW) 4-1
Komrun Divanbeigi (PS) 3-2
Zach Poskin (Rock) 2-3

103 - gold pool

Ashley Hudson (Laf) 5-0
Sean Griffin (MICDS) 4-1
Jeremy Washington (Sum) 3-2
Open

112 - black pool

Vito Krischke (NW) 5-0
Abbas Emamjome (RS) 4-1
Brandon Burns (PS) 3-2
Pat Kelly (Rock) 2-3

Wendell Jones did not wrestle because of injury.

112 - gold pool

Donte Butler (Sum) 5-0
Sterling Wheelis (PW) 4-1
Mike Margherita (Laf) 3-2
Jon Freebersyser (Pat) 2-3

[Lou]

119 - black pool

Herb Krischke (NW) 4-1
Phil Watson (Rock) 4-1
Pat Baden (PS) 4-1
Nolan Chavez (Rol) 2-3

119 - gold pool

Jordan Young (PW) 5-0
Andrew Olejnik (Laf) 4-1
Tim Samples (Pat) 3-2
Neil Thanedar (MICDS) 2-3

125 - black pool

Vito Ingargiola (NW) 5-0
Ross Creager (Rol) 3-2
Chris Mays (RS) 3-2
Dan O'Brien (Rock) 2-3 or Mike Cockson (PS) 2-3

125 - gold pool

Justin Michaels (PW) 5-0
Cartell Brown (Sum) 4-1
Corey Diggs (Laf) 3-2
J.T. Jones (Prin) 2-3

[Lou]

130 - black pool

Reid Garcia (PS) 5-0
Terrell Smart (HC) 4-1
Matt Chandler (NW) 3-2
Will Richardson (Rock) 2-3

130 - gold pool

George Young (PW) 5-0
Dondrell Harris (Laf) 4-1
Phillip McCullough (Sum) 3-2
Tyler Dail (Prin) 2-3

135 - black pool

Ryan Johnson (HC) 5-0
Maxx Waterkotte (NW) 4-1
Bobby Downing (Rol) 3-2
Zeke Allison (PS) 2-3

135 - gold pool

Alex Boggs (Laf) 5-0
Andy Stock (Prin) 4-1
Corey Daniels (Pat) 3-2
William Mueller (MICDS) 2-3

[Lou]

140 - black pool

Todd Porter (NW) 5-0
Brandon Pringle (HC) 4-1
Tom Range (RS) 3-2
Jason White (Rol) 2-3

140 - gold pool

Nathan Fine (Pat) 5-0
Scott Chida (Laf) 4-1
Jesse Wilson (PW) 3-2
George MacDonald (Prin) 2-3

145 - black pool

Charlie Morris (HC) 5-0
Nate Dickerson (RS) 4-1
Brian Morris (NW) 3-2
Phil McGwire (Rol) 2-3

145 - gold pool

Brian Patrick (Pat) 5-0
Nick Koepke (Laf) 4-1
Robert Delaria (PW) 3-2
Robby Mandel (MICDS) 2-3

[Lou]

152 - black pool

Nick Uzzetta (NW) 5-0
Neal Richardson (PS) 4-1
Joe Gary (HC) 3-2
Jason Taylor-Ohmes (Rock) 2-3

152 - gold pool

Nate Orlando (Pat) 5-0
Kevin Maher (MICDS) 4-1
Samuel Alford (Sum) 3-2
Ryan Reynolds (Prin) 2-3

160 - black pool

Rico Williams (HC) 5-0
Allen Corzine (NW) 4-1
Ryan Mathews (Rol) 3-2
Gary Sonnenberg (PS) 2-3

160 - gold pool

Zorian Price (Sum) 5-0
Clark Woodliff (Laf) 4-1
Ron Meyer (Prin) 3-2
Eric Weidemann (Pat) 2-3

[Lou]

171 - black pool

Dale Stafford (NW) 4-1
Matt Whitney (PS) 4-1
Thomas Tuck (HC) 3-2
Pete Buchannon (Rock) 3-2

171 - gold pool

Josh Moore (Laf) 5-0
Dan Phillips (PW) 4-1
Chris Cheezem (Prin) 3-2
Darren Manning (Sum) 2-3

189 - black pool

Ron Porter (NW) 5-0
Kendall Fuselier (PS) 4-1
Nathan Orton (HC) 3-2
Brent Baca (Rock) 2-3

189 - gold pool

Matt Brewer (Laf) 5-0
Kirk Janitch (Pat) 4-1
Mark Lambrechts (MICDS) 3-2
Chris Callan (PW) 2-3

[Lou]

215 - black pool

Jason Lloyd (HC) 5-0
Brad Aten (NW) 4-1
Ben McNeely (RS) 3-2
Dan Shadmani (PS) 2-3

215 - gold pool

Quinton Bell (Laf) 5-0
Eddie Watkins (PW) 4-1
Ray Harris (Pat) 3-2
Deonte Mitchell (Sum) 2-3

275 - black pool

Steve Himmelmann (NW) 5-0
Doug McFarland (Rock) 4-1
Kalvin Cundiff (Rol) 3-2
Brent Barringer (RS) 2-3

275 - gold pool

Trent Marsh (Laf) 5-0
Ray Patterson (Prin) 4-1
Mike Roush (Pat) 3-2
Thomas Hellm (Sum) 2-3

[Lou]

Again, wrestling starts at 9:30am. All 5 pool rounds were completed last night so finals will begin around 1:30pm.

[Bob Pollock]

[Lou]

Final team scores in the pool wrestling. (These scores did not carry over into the championship round)

Black pool

Northwest - 328
Hazelwood Central - 203
Parkway South - 188
Rolla - 126
Rockhurst - 120
Rockwood Summit - 110

Gold pool

Lafayette - 304
Pattonville - 203
Parkway West - 181
Sumner - 180
Principia - 144
MICDS - 117

[Lou]

Finals & Team scores in the championship brackets:

1) Northwest - 196
2) Lafayette - 166
3) Hazelwood Central - 133.5
4) Pattonville - 96
5) Parkway West - 87.5
6) Parkway South - 54
7) Sumner - 46
8) Rockwood Summit - 36.5
9) Principia - 33
10) Rolla - 23
11) MICDS - 13
12) Rockhurst - 10

103

1) Ashley Hudson (Laf) Dec Joe Jetton (HC) 6-0
3) Tyler Stahlman (NW) MDec Jeremy Washington (Sum) 14-1

112

1) Donte Butler (Sum) MDec Vito Krischke (NW) 20-8
3) Jon Freebersyer (Pat) Dec Sterling Wheelis (PW) 3-1 ot

119

1) Jordan Young (PW) MDec Andrew Olejnik (Laf) 9-1
3) Herb Krischke (NW) MDec Tim Samples (Pat) 10-0

125

1) Vito Ingargiola (NW) Dec Justin Michaels (PW) 14-11
3) Cartell Brown (Sum) MDec Chris Mays (RS) 10-2

130

1) Terrell Smart (HC) Dec Reid Garcia (PS) 10-8 ot
3) Dondrell Harris (Laf) Fall Matt Chandler (NW) 3:11

135

1) Maxx Waterkotte (NW) Dec Ryan Johnson (HC) 14-12
3) Andy Stock (Prin) Dec Alex Boggs (Laf) 3-2

140

1) Todd Porter (NW) Dec Brabdon Pringle (HC) 8-2
3) Scott Chida (Laf) Dec Nathan Fine (Pat) 6-5

[Lou]

145

1) Brian Patrick (Pat) Dec Charlie Morris (HC) 6-4
3) Nate Dickerson (RS) Fall Robert Delaria (PW) 4:42

152

1) Nate Orlando (Pat) Dec Nick Uzzetta (NW) 8-7
3) Joe Gary (HC) Dec Kevin Maher (MICDS) 10-3

160

1) Rico Williams (HC) MDec Allen Corzine (NW) 10-0
3) Ryan Mathews (Rol) Dec Clark Woodliff (Laf) 1-0

171

1) Josh Moore (Laf) Dec Dan Phillips (PW) 5-3
3) Matt Whitney (PS) Dec Dale Stafford (NW) 2-1 ot

189

1) Ron Porter (NW) Dec Matt Brewer (Laf) 3-2
3) Kendall Fuselier (PS) Dec Kirk Janitch (Pat) 4-0

215

1) Quinton Bell (Laf) MDec Jason Lloyd (HC) 14-5
3) Eddie Watkins (PW) Dec Ben McNeely (RS) 3-0

275

1) Mike Roush (Pat) Fall Ray Patterson (Prin) 3:23
3) Steve Himmelmann (NW) Dec Trent Marsh (Laf) 6-2

I will be posting championship brackets on my website later tonight. I'll have a link here when they are up. THANKS to all the attended!!!

[oxman]

Lou----Thank you very much for typing in all of those results..... :smt006
8)

[wrestlefan19]

wow!
Butler over Vito by major!
and 130 looked crazy with garcia losing and Chandler taking 4th

[Lou]

Brackets are posted at my website at:

http://hazelwoodcentralwrestling.net

Follow the links on the navigation bar.

[Louden]

wow!
Butler over Vito by major!
and 130 looked crazy with garcia losing and Chandler taking 4th

I could see Wendell Jones taking notes down on paper during that match, haha! Donte matches up perfectly against Vito, plus two 5 point head&arms really do give you a big lead. It would have been nice for Vito to win this match but it also could be a blessing in disguise. Now there is no perfect record to protect, and it helped point out areas where Vito needs to work.

Chandler got spanked by the Lafayette kid, twice. The first match they had Chandler beat him pretty good, but at this tourney it was all Lafayette. He looked so much stronger than Matt...

Garcia losing was a hard fought battle. That Smart kid though... I didn't like his showboating or his attitude. I saw it several times throughout the tournament. Garcia also beat that kid earlier in the tourney as well if I remember right.

[Louden]

Hudson looked tough as ever. Jetton was never in the match. She also threatened to beat me up in the hallway before the finals. I was looking for the Coaches Lounge and she pointed down the hall and said I better get there quick before she puts my face into the floor. Nah, just joking, she asked for my autograph. Okay, okay, I made all of this up... except her dominating the tourney.

[Bob Pollock]

[Class_3_Fan]

Lou --

Thanx for posting brackets.

A few questions :

- In 125# pools, who did Mays (3-2 ; Summit) lose to besides Ingaragiola ?

- In 140# pools, did Range (3-2 ; Summit) beat White (2-3 ; Rolla) ? Score ?

- At 160#, Price (5-0 ; Sumner) won his pool but did not appear in the champioship bracket ?

- At 171#, I didn't see Wilkerson (Rolla) listed in your pool results, yet he appeared in the championship bracket ? What was his pool record and who were his losses to ?

Thanx for any info you can provide.

[Lou]

Bob, full championship bracket results are posted on my website at:

http://hazelwoodcentralwrestling.net

Class 3 fan, I just finished posting the black division pool brackets on my website. These will have the results you are looking for and I am working on gettng the gold division posted soon. As for the Sumner kid at 160, he did not make weight the second day.

[stillman]

Darth,
Did Vito have a bad match or is Donte Butler really that good?

[The Godfather]

Darth,
Did Vito have a bad match or is Donte Butler really that good?

From Darth's earlier comment, it sounds like it would have been 10-8 had Vito not been caught in 2 head and arm's.

[The Godfather]

I could see Wendell Jones taking notes down on paper during that match, haha! Donte matches up perfectly against Vito, plus two 5 point head&arms really do give you a big lead.

To Puckett, Uehlin also did not get "caught" in a lucky sense. What you saw was good old fashioned Vito Krischke wrestling. He's pinned many people just like that, and he intentionally put Uehlin on his back and pinned him. Considering he just did that to a superstar wrestler like Uehlin in only 3 minutes... I can't see how you aren't impressed by Krischke and I saw both wrestlers as being aggressive.

Vito finds ways to win and his style is different. His semi-final was tough, in the same way that Mentor wrestled him tough at Cape, and then Vito turned it around by beating Mentor by a major and then pinning him here at GC. Very strong wrestlers sometimes give Vito a challenge until he figures them out.

I'm still put off by "not being impressed" because it sounds like you are a little biased... Did you see Vito beat the tar out of Chad Lunn? Lunn is a superb wrestler, lost to Uehlin 4-2 in a contested match. Vito was beating Lunn 11-0 when he stuck him, and this happened in 2:36.

Now Darth, you aren't saying that Vito got "caught" with 2 head & arms in a lucky sense, are you? :D

[northco]

You know the old saying 1st Shame on you, 2nd time shame on me... :D

[Patriotfan]

Does anyone have any responses on the Garcia/Smart match? Was there poor officiating?

[stillman]

Hmmm...Vito got caught in two head and arms, that's pretty ironic considering that is pretty much the only move that R. Porter uses to win his matches. :oops:

[emkcus]

The officials were average-poor during the tournament. Stalling was seldom called except in crucial situations when it was not stalling and the lack of wrestling knowledge displayed was crucial in some matches. The Garcia/Smart match was poorly called from both sides. You will never know if it had anything to do with the outcome because it changed the flow of the match. I believe the coaches were at the table more than the wrestlers wrestled.

[Trey Anastasio]

Gotta give Dante credit. He seemed to be able to do anything he wanted in the finals against Vito. At least one if not both of his head & arms was countering Vito trying to stack him up for a throw. Vito is a great wrestler, but Dante was the better wrestler that match.

I agree that the officiating was pretty poor on both sides during the 130 lb final. It seemed the ref was overaxious to make a call, whether or not it was criteria or not. He missed two takedowns that Garcia had, and called a takedown on Smart at the end that Garcia didnt get. That particular ref was kind of that way the whole tournament. Weird. :?

[Louden]

Where was Jake Wattercotte? Any chance anyone has some semi results?

Jake will be back in the line-up for Jeff City. It was good IMO for Tyler Stahlman to get some varsity experience like he did, which should help prepare him some for next year if he is Northwests 103.

[Louden]

Hmmm...Vito got caught in two head and arms, that's pretty ironic considering that is pretty much the only move that R. Porter uses to win his matches. :oops:

Hey now Stillman, you shouldn't comment on things that you don't know about. Ron Porter hasn't won a match with a head&arm since the Cape Classic Pool matches. He has won a good 15+ straight matches without it. He just beat Matt Brewer of Lafayette who had a record of 28-1 without it.

As for Vito, no he didn't get "caught". Donte was super fast and hit both head&arms with skill. Vito may not have been wrestling his best but he never has beaten Donte, Vito seems have a bad style match-up against him-plus Donte is the best 112 in Missouri right now and is ranked 5th in the nation.

[stillman]

Louden,
I was just pulling your chain a little bit :lol: I think Butler is a tough match up for almost anyone. Watching him take third at state last year one handed was amazing. :shock:

I do find it hard to believe Ron has wrestled 15+ matches since Cape and not used that move. Anybody that has watched Ron at all knows that is his bread & butter move. If he truly is using other skills now that's great, it will make him a much better wrestler.

Good Luck to Northwest!

[emkcus]

I've viewed lots of wrestling in my 37 years and that was a bad day only because Vito wrestled a far superior wrestler. That kid is slick, good, whatever you want to call it.

[Louden]

Louden,
I was just pulling your chain a little bit :lol: I think Butler is a tough match up for almost anyone. Watching him take third at state last year one handed was amazing. :shock:

I do find it hard to believe Ron has wrestled 15+ matches since Cape and not used that move. Anybody that has watched Ron at all knows that is his bread & butter move. If he truly is using other skills now that's great, it will make him a much better wrestler.

Good Luck to Northwest!

He maybe scored a takedown with it once at Granite City (still lost the match) but that's it. He rarely even attempts it anymore, which is good IMO because he is starting to improve in other area's. He needs a wrestling partner though. Last year he had Luke Miers, I hope he can get some alumni down there to train with and push him.

[bigdad4]

Here we go again, talking crap about the officials not calling stalling. You either hate it when it's called or don't like it when it's not. I saw some of the action on Friday and only saw the finals on Saturday. I thought most of the officials did a fine job. I saw the 130 match and the missed takedowns and phantom takedown as well, but it looked to me that the HC coach intimidated the ref (which I agree shouldn't happen) and it threw him off. That particular official jumps around too much, but at least he puts forth a lot of effort...I think he's also a football official.

Overall, I thought the officials did a fine job. If you think you can do better, put on the stripes and give it a whirl.

BD

[bigdad4]

...and as a matter of fact, during the 160lb final the ref (with the shaved head) called stalling on the Northwest kid 3 times and each was a legit call. Someone even yelled, "good call Ref" from the stands during that match. It should also be mentioned that there was a state ref evaluator at the tournament and a MSHSAA executive there as well. I'm sure that the mistakes that were made by the ref's will be brought to their attention so they can get better and learn from their mistakes. I'm sure it sounds like I'm totally pro official, but I"ve learned from my 52+ years that officiating is a very hard job, and since I've never done it, I'm not going to give them a hard time when they are out there sweating their butts off doing the best they can.

[Louden]

I thought the stalling calls (or lack thereof) at HC was fine. Yes there were a few times when I thought it could have been called, like when a wrestler was holding on to another wrestlers back for 10+ seconds without attempting to bring him back to the mat, but even still I would rather see a ref mess up by not making a stalling call then to make excessive ones. So overall I was pleased with the stalling calls at this Tourney.

I still have yet to see 10+ stalling calls at a single tourney that I have witnessed this year. I am sure there have been, but i cannot keep my eyes on 4 mats to keep track. From what I have witnessed, there haven't been to many. I keep thinking back to the Northwest/Fox dual where there was 16 stalling calls in one dual that had 7 first period pins... Unreal... I hope things have been heading in the right direction since then and from what I have seen, they have.

[bigdad4]

Louden, I agree with your comments.

[emkcus]

A ref was intimidated? Everyone knows this group of refs worked hard. The fact that a MSHSAA executive and an observer were on hand should not have anything to do with how they call matches. Someone said to me the other day, that "Missouri officials call more stalling than any other state and that's how good wrestling works" and someone replied "at the NCAA D I tournament very little is called, what they don't wrestle or ref as good as Moooosurri."
I think most coaches would agree that refs work hard. The thing that needs to change, is our sport needs "good" senior officials working and explaining postions, situations, fundamentals and mat awareness to the young or new guys. Don't just tell them you need to call more stalling.

[bigdad4]

Emkus, you make some good points. I especially agree with your comment about needing some senior level officials helping the younger ones. I can certainly attest to the fact that the three younger officials at this tournament are better officials this year than they were last year...and I have personally seen all three of them in action over the past few years and they are getting better each year. As long as they keep improving and work towards getting better, then I can't complain.

[emkcus]

Ditto, bigdaddy!

[deepfat]

wow!
Butler over Vito by major!
and 130 looked crazy with garcia losing and Chandler taking 4th

I could see Wendell Jones taking notes down on paper during that match, haha! Donte matches up perfectly against Vito, plus two 5 point head&arms really do give you a big lead. It would have been nice for Vito to win this match but it also could be a blessing in disguise. Now there is no perfect record to protect, and it helped point out areas where Vito needs to work.

Chandler got spanked by the Lafayette kid, twice. The first match they had Chandler beat him pretty good, but at this tourney it was all Lafayette. He looked so much stronger than Matt...



Garcia losing was a hard fought battle. That Smart kid though... I didn't like his showboating or his attitude. I saw it several times throughout the tournament. Garcia also beat that kid earlier in the tourney as well if I remember right.

Looks like a Vito fan here. Instead of what it does well for Vito, how about giving Donte more props for systematically beating Kritschke convincingly. Not trying to get uppity or anything but the credit goes to the winner here.

[Louden]

Looks like a Vito fan here. Instead of what it does well for Vito, how about giving Donte more props for systematically beating Kritschke convincingly. Not trying to get uppity or anything but the credit goes to the winner here.

Isn't that what was said? :?

[deepfat]

Looks like a Vito fan here. Instead of what it does well for Vito, how about giving Donte more props for systematically beating Kritschke convincingly. Not trying to get uppity or anything but the credit goes to the winner here.

Isn't that what was said? :?

I know you gave Butler some credit but I was responding to what was said about Kritschke. No harm, no foul.

[The Godfather]

Looks like a Vito fan here. Instead of what it does well for Vito, how about giving Donte more props for systematically beating Kritschke convincingly. Not trying to get uppity or anything but the credit goes to the winner here.

Isn't that what was said? :?

I know you gave Butler some credit but I was responding to what was said about Kritschke. No harm, no foul.

Don't go there deepfat...you can't win with Louden and his Northwest boys. Unless you're me, of course 8)

[deepfat]

Looks like a Vito fan here. Instead of what it does well for Vito, how about giving Donte more props for systematically beating Kritschke convincingly. Not trying to get uppity or anything but the credit goes to the winner here.

Isn't that what was said? :?

I know you gave Butler some credit but I was responding to what was said about Kritschke. No harm, no foul.

Don't go there deepfat...you can't win with Louden and his Northwest boys. Unless you're me, of course 8)

I see. Good info to know.

Kritschke is an outstanding athlete but seemed to run into a kid on a mission in Butler. My sources on the ground said that two 5 pt throws really nailed the coffin in that bout. Kritschke still is the #1 in 4A, though.

[Louden]

I'm one of Vito Krischke's biggest fans but after his dual last night I think he should be taken off the rankings as #1. I still think he is the #1 guy, but it could do him good to no longer be #1... a nice wake up call to get the fire going again, and if he picks up and resumes his domination then he could get it back.

[The Godfather]

I'm one of Vito Krischke's biggest fans but after his dual last night I think he should be taken off the rankings as #1. I still think he is the #1 guy, but it could do him good to no longer be #1... a nice wake up call to get the fire going again, and if he picks up and resumes his domination then he could get it back.

That's obviously why he's not doing well, because he's ranked #1. I'm sure he's on here all the time making sure that his ranking is still intact. :roll:

I'm sorry Louden, but it sounds like you and Vito are both having issues.

[Louden]

That's obviously why he's not doing well, because he's ranked #1. I'm sure he's on here all the time making sure that his ranking is still intact. :roll:

I'm sorry Louden, but it sounds like you and Vito are both having issues.

Is that what I said? I don't think that's what I said but maybe I'm just confused... it happens. Do you think I can have you on hand to tell me what I am saying more often?

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Heck, Louden, you can't even keep your name straight! :-D

[Louden]

Heck, Louden, you can't even keep your name straight! :-D

This is true...

[Super Gay AL]

Heck, Louden, you can't even keep your name straight! :-D

Got that right.

[Louden]

[quote="RP-in-Nebraska":36370]Heck, Louden, you can't even keep your name straight! :-D

Got that right.[/quote:36370]

Hey now, I don't want to hear it from someone who posts under 5 different alias's!!! :evil:

[The Godfather]

it could do him good to no longer be #1... a nice wake up call to get the fire going again, and if he picks up and resumes his domination then he could get it back.

What exactly did you mean by this then? :?

[Louden]

What exactly did you mean by this then?

If you read the other thread, I said that IMO Vito was trying to rely on funk too much rather than working solid wrestling basics and then letting funk work naturally-not forced. I already said that is what I suspected was happening because I've seen Vito do more funky things this year than last. I could be wrong, I'm just guessing.

What I was saying about the ranking was simply that maybe it would be a wake-up call. I don't think it is absurd to think that sometimes people get complacent. I don't know if this is happening to Vito or not but I have seen it happen.

Rocky 3 was about this, that's when they came out with "Eye of the Tiger", talking about how the champ doesn't have the fire like the challenger.

Again, I am not saying that is the case, but a competetive person usually will come back stronger after being knocked down. That was my point.

[Trey Anastasio]

Lets look at the facts: Vito is a great wrestler and should definitely be ranked, but he has now lost a stud in another class, and to a 4A honorable mention kid. He's gotta move down, at the very least. Possibly move Irvine (sp?) up. The ranking committee has done this to several kids at other weights, etc. MTC :-)

[Warren Haynes]

Is the weight starting to be a drain on the kid? I know when we saw them he looked awfully sucked down. The two pounds will probably help.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Rocky 3 was about this, that's when they came out with "Eye of the Tiger",...

Credibility decrease factor = 92.3% (Illegal use of an 80's movie)

[Bob Pollock]

[Louden]

I would say that Benenati still has the win over Krischke so it makes sense to move him below Greg. That is assuming Greg makes a return and doesn't get moved to HM. Uehlin lost to Vito by fall in a close match up to the fall but has teched and majored Irving. Krischke has an 8-4 win over Jones last year.
Uehlin
Benenati
Krischke
Jones
Zeigler
Irving
Brooks
????
:smt023

I say give it to Benenati, then Krischke, then Uehlin. Krischke beat Uehlin by fall, Uehlin beat Benenati by decision?, but Benenati has a win over the El Reno kid that Uehlin lost to, plus is the defending state Champion. I don't think Irvin's one significant win should bring him up yet because he hasn't consistantly proven himself.

Benenati
Krischke
Uehlin
Jones
Zeigler
Brooks

Or maybe Jones over Uehlin as well.

[Bob Pollock]

[Louden]

Why would Benenati be over Uehlin? He lost 5-2 at LSX.
Common opponents:
Irving-Uehlin by Mdec 2 times, Benenati by dec
Lester- Both lost by fall
El Reno- Bennenati wins 11-7, Uehlin loses 11-7
Your title run starts over every year. When Bolin beat O'Donnell last year he got bumped to second.

It will probably end up Vito first then Marty.

If it was a 3 way, Bennenati, Uehlin, and El Reno, then you have a beats b, b beats c, and c beats a. You could realistically rank them in any order.