PART II TEST THREAD

[cardsfsc]

I have a hard time with some of these true and false questions because I tend to read too much into them sometimes. Figured maybe someone smarter could help me out.

PENALTIES
A. At the conclusion of the second time-out, the opponent will gEt his choice of position on the restart.
(I would go with True but what about a blood timeout? Since the particular type of timeout isn't stated, does that make it False?)

OVERTIME/TIEBREAKER
A. The wretler who has the choice in the overtime may select the top or bottom position. (To me this is a True statement yet he may also defer to his opponent...so what do they want here?)

STARTING/STOPPING THE MATCH
A. Either coach may request a time-out, if he thinks his wrestler is injured.
(Couldn't find this one and I'm inclined to say True since I realize a coach can default for his athlete.

Someone straighten me out here.
Thanks.

[MG_Grievous]

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F...New rule.


I'd wait for Ox's answers though. :oops:

[oxman]

This is......bb's territory... :)
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[cardsfsc]

C'mon Ox...you could at least have gave it a guess. :toimonster:

[oxman]

STARTING/STOPPING THE MATCH
A. Either coach may request a time-out, if he thinks his wrestler is injured.
(Couldn't find this one and I'm inclined to say True since I realize a coach can default for his athlete)A coach, official, trainer/doctor may stop a match due to injury.....
And...they ALL have the power to determine that a wrestler may NOT continue....
It is NOT a majority vote.
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[bb]

OX-where is that in the book? I can't find anything. IN the past (and I could so be wrong) when a coach has indicated that his wrestler needs an injury time out, I have stated to the coach that when the wrestler asks for one, then I will grant it. Help me here................

[MG_Grievous]

OX-where is that in the book?

Ox is making ____ up again. :doubt:

[MG_Grievous]

Rule 6-4-3:
If a wrestler is injured due to legal or illegal action, the referee shall stop the match.

Rule 6-4-4:
The coach of a contestant or the contestant has the prerogative to default a match in progress or during an injury time-out by informing the referee.


That's all I can find that's even close. Under 8-2(the main injury heading), there's nothing at all. I remember being told that there's a new rule where a coach can't request a time-out, but I can't find anything.

Now if those ARE the only rules related to the question, then I'd have to mark it false.

[oxman]

I think it is more a case of semantics......

If an official sees what he/she determines as an injury occur....
They may certainly stop the match....
For example, in the case of a concussion or head injury where the wrestler seems stunned or dazed...
Like a severe headbutt or head striking the mat....Or blood.....
The wrestler may not be thinking clearly enough to make the determination himself....
The official also has the power to default the match, whether the wrestler agrees or not....
The wrestler may simply be too proud, incoherent, or knowledgeable to evaluate his own injury.....
In today's lawsuit-crazed society, it would not be wise to refuse an injury
timeout to a wrestler or coach who claims to have seen an injury occur....

HOWEVER, the question was can a coach REQUEST a timeout...
I see no rule ever preventing a coach REQUESTING a timeout......
If the official says NO....that is certainly within the official's right.
I generally agree with bb's policy of asking the wrestler if they needed an injury timeout or not...
That is common sense....And, then "request granted" or "request denied"

However, if the coach saw an injury occur, he will usually REQUEST
in a polite manner that the official check and make sure that the athlete is ok....
Again..REQUEST is the key word...perhaps the semantics of the question is too vague....

A parent, coach, official, wrestler, physician, etc...may also request a match be stopped at any time in order to default.
In this case,the request is actually a demand...
The official has no power to over-rule a doctor, parent, or coach who chooses to default.
It does not matter if the wrestler claims to be ok or not....he is not allowed to continue....
It is assumed that the coach, physician, parent, etc is more mature and knowledgeable about the injury.

Take, for example, a kid being tossed where his head strikes the mat with great force.
The referee does not see the injury occur, but the coach does. Perhaps it was even an illegal slam,
that the referee did not recognize. The official has already made one error by not noticing the illegal slam.
Now, the coach requests the match be stopped to check for a possible head injury.
The coach is doing the right thing. He is concerned for the kid's welfare.
The official may attempt to communicate with the semi-unconscious wrestler.
Regardless of the kid's response the official may grant the coach's REQUEST...or....NOT.....
In most cases, the official will respect the coach's concern as valid.
On occasion, it is an obvious attempt to circumvent the rules.....
In my opinion, it is simply up to the official's judgement.
In fact, it is my OPINION, that in reality, EVERYTHING is up to the official's judgement.... :)
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[cardsfsc]

So we're going with all True here boys and girls?

[oxman]

Huck----When I take those tests, I just try to GUESS what the author intended.
You know as well as I, that the questions try to be tricky sometimes.

OVERTIME/TIEBREAKER
A. The wretler who has the choice in the overtime may select the top or bottom position. (To me this is a True statement yet he may also defer to his opponent...so what do they want here?) I believe this statement is completely TRUE....
However...My guess is the author is TRYING to be tricky and the answer the author wants is FALSE....

Then again.....maybe not.... :) .....Flip a coin....
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[Huck]

Ox, I look for some help from the wizest of the wise and you give me that???
May Injun Joe have mercy on you.

[Nineballman]

STARTING/STOPPING THE MATCH
A. Either coach may request a time-out, if he thinks his wrestler is injured.
(Couldn't find this one and I'm inclined to say True since I realize a coach can default for his athlete)A coach, official, trainer/doctor may stop a match due to injury.....
And...they ALL have the power to determine that a wrestler may NOT continue....
It is NOT a majority vote.
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The new rule states that the coach can not cause a break in the action, or it is an automatic default. But he can mention that little Billy's arm (out of sight of the official) is broken in three places

[oxman]

The new rule states that the coach can not cause a break in the action, or it is an automatic default. But he can mention that little Billy's arm (out of sight of the official) is broken in three placesI am unaware of this new rule. It was certainly NOT discussed at this year's rule interpretation meeting.
The only things close were:

"8-1-2c: An exception has been added indicating that the match will not be stopped when warning the offensive wrestler when the defensive wrestler has come to the standing position."

"A wrestler who indicates an injury for the purpose of preventing scoring or being pinned shall be charged with an injury time-out and the match will be stopped. The NFHS Wrestling Rules Committee felt that, since referees are not qualified to determine whether or not a contestant is actually injured, they should err on the side of safety and stop the match."
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[Nineballman]

it was dissussed in the sw mo rules meeting. Our interpreter is Terry Clayton. You might ask whoever your interpreter is (Rallo, Middleton, etc) about this.

[oxman]

it was dissussed in the sw mo rules meeting. Our interpreter is Terry Clayton. You might ask whoever your interpreter is (Rallo, Middleton, etc) about this.I looked through all of the handouts and it is not mentioned. I checked the new rulebook and it is not mentioned. Perhaps it is not a rule change, but a "Missouri Interpretation"???
Or....maybe....I was in another age-induced stuper during the meeting.... :)
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