rankings

[target]

are the rankings coming out soon just wondering

[Class 3 Rankings]

The rankings will be out Wednesday or Tursday.

[Class_3_Fan]

We are compiling results as quickly as we can.

Not having access to many of the results makes it more difficult.

[luv2wrestle]

Let's go people....if your program wrestled this past weekend, please post your results..... :-)

[Greg]

When you say Wednesday or Tuesday, are you saying today or tomorrow or are you talking about next week? Frankly I recommend you put them out next week because there are going to be some very big tournaments through-out the state this weekend that may clarify things.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to rank the wrestlers.

[Roscoe Russkie]

frankly most people would like to have the ranking right now and then adjusted in few weeks.

[Class 3 Rankings]

The rankings will be out today or tomorrow.

[Class_3_Fan]

Greg -

Thanx for your recommendation. However, we have always released the initial set of rankings after 2 weeks of tournaments (and) prior to Lee's Summit/Ray South/Cape Tournaments.

Yes, kids will change weight classes. However, we will update rankings as the season progresses.

The rankings are never anything more than a "snapshot". Therefore, it really doesn't matter when you do them as they are somewhat outdated immediately after release.

[Greg]

You're right. Thanks again for doing the rankings.

[powerhouse]

what day is tursday??? just kidding

[bob]

How much longer till the rankings. The only class thats rankings havent been posted is this class. Sorry to rush just anxious to see them.

[Class 3 Rankings]

Class 3 Rankings will be out tomorrow.

[Nineballman]

frankly most people would like to have the ranking right now and then adjusted in few weeks.

So you guys could throw rocks at the guy for posting an inaccurate ranking??? :roll:

[Roscoe Russkie]

Only rocks thrown were at Greg for acting like he had some kind of sway or control on the ranking when we all know Class 3 rankings will post them when he has them ready. He did fine job Last year and I am sure he will do even better this year.

Like most everyone else one this forum I am nothing but grateful for the time spent by the people doing the rankings and don't like seeing them badgered by people for reasons of auspicious results.

[Greg]

Roscoe Russkie since when is offering an recommendation "acting like he had some kind of sway or control on the ranking".

And if so, isn't using the phrase " frankly most people would like to have the ranking right now and then adjusted in few weeks" just about the same thing?

These rankings are for fun and give everyone on here something to talk about, and I really appreciate the rankers doing them. I can assure you I don't want any sway over them since the only poll that really counts occurs in February. I will offer my opinion from time to time though LOL.

[Class 3 Rankings]

Greg,

My rankings partner and I took no offense to your suggestion. However, we always like to get our first set of rankings out before the big tournaments this weekend. We hope it creates a little bit more interest in an already great weekend of wrestling. We have pre-determined days through out the season when we intend on releasing rankings.

[who needs to know]

Greg, your so full of crap, if you think its all for fun and havent a preferance why ask or recomened any opinions on when they are posted. No offence to you, but get real. We all want to see who is out there, not see whos best just to see the competition, that to me is what makes it interesting. and please this is not a debate, just a comment.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Who needs to know,

I think you'd benefit from spending more time in grammar and spelling classes than you would from trying to degrade a knowledgeable poster with great input such as Greg.

[Roscoe Russkie]

Hey Greg went out of bounds now he knows enough said!

[who needs to know]

thanks rp ill take that into consideration. and dont be shy. please do the same. i dont call people out as so many do but come on enough is enough. i dont care who your freinds are or how smart you think they are, gregs knowledge of this sport isnt the question or important to many of us, if he wants to rollllllllllllll on about moot issues let it be. we all know he has two 4 time state champions at home and think its great. but for the rest of us low budget wrestling fans we have opinions also.

[proudmama]

My goodness!!!!

It was a suggestion. Perhaps a very good one. When it was posted that Nick should be ranked #1, a comment came up immediately that he had not wrestled anyone yet.

Also Greg does have 2 champions at home and yet he is incredibly humble about it. It was Greg that said Nick should not be ranked 1 or 2.

These are opionions folks. Ignore them if you do not like them.

That said, I also want the rankings as soon as possible.

[Grampsiek]

Perhaps some Class 3 wrestlers have been raptured and taken into heaven, but for those that remain, how about ranking them....please??????????? (You're killing me.)

thanks, guys. :D

[The Godfather]

who needs to know,

Boy, you are a real class act. Jumping all over somebody for making a suggestion. Greg's recommendation was a good one...why not wait until after the LSX tournament (and other tournaments) this weekend to see who's for real and who's not to get a more accurate picture. The LSX tournament is arguably just as competitive as state, so why not wait until after the weekend?? And the rankings are just for fun...what makes them more than that? I think you're the one full of crap.

[Bob Pollock]

[The Godfather]

Well said Bob.

And another note to the people that do the rankings...we all greatly appreciate you taking the time to do so. It is obviously a very tedious process just to appease us fans. I meant no disrespect in my last post, if for some reason it was taken that way.

[who needs to know]

Puckett I can deal with outside comments just fine. Please read my crap once more and youll find I never jumped on anyone about there direct recomendations on the sight. I slamed Greg on his both sides of the fence attitude. I personally think most posters like rp fudge bob stat people and the rest of the regulars are good reading. I may be full of crap or what ever, but one thing is for sure, no one on this sight is above slamming anyone.

[Roscoe Russkie]

That was me that did the jumping. If Greg was offering some helpful ranking info.that would have been great but he wasn't. He was basicly suggesting to Class 3 rankings how and when he should do his rankings .

Maybe the rest of the members on MW.com should offer our suggestion on how and when the ranking should be done. I bet Class 3 rankings would really appreciate that. Or did Greg elect himself to do the talking for all of us wrestling fans. Leave the people doing the ranking alone unless you have info. for them on wrestlers and matches.

Now why did I respond initially, because I have anxiously but quietly have been waitng for the rankings like the majority of wrestling fans. Like I have for the last 3 years. Then all of the sudden you have Greg shooting his mouth off about waiting another week or so like it was his choice to make. That was really annoying. I might have even over reacted but at least I have enough sense to let Class 3 rankings do his ranking with out my input on when they should be done.

[Class_3_Fan]

We are putting the finishing touches on the rankings as we speak.

Sometime shortly after lunch...............

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Greg was simply providing some input, which, by the way, had a valid reason behind it - that much more information will be available after this weekend's tournaments. I, too, am interested in seeing the rankings ASAP but in no way did I think Greg's post was offensive or insensitive. Again, it was his input based on his opinions and I am certain that he had no idea that somebody would get upset at his suggestion. I've read it and re-read it and still can't figure out why somebody would get upset at that. I guess we're all wired differently.

[The Godfather]

Wow Roscoe...you're just as much of a tool as who needs to know. I think you both need to relax a little about people making suggestions...key word there is suggestion. I don't know if you have something against Greg or what, but I would much rather see someone making a suggestion for improvement rather than seeing 50 posts asking when the rankings are going to be out. If you want to jump on somebody, jump on those people.

And he wasn't "basically suggesting how and when to do the rankings". He was suggesting something that makes sense and obviously, by his later post, repects the way they are doing it.

[Tigerbait]

This debate shows the difference from the knowledgable adults and statewide fans and idiot high school wrestlers who want to know who they won't be beating on the mat this season.

Roscoe, you bash Greg for not giving any good imput on the rankings, but what exactly have you posted that will get the Class 3 rankings up faster.

[DaNutt]

can someone help me in finding the ignore button?

Greg--thanks for the suggestions

Class3--thanks for the rankings
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[who needs to know]

rp i can deal with that and thank you for putting it in an non offensive way. leader 1 you also have a good point.

[Roscoe Russkie]

The piont is If every single poster through in there 2 cent worth on how the ranking should be done and when it would be complete chaos and would degrade the quality of the ranking. ( I am not talking about the actual info. needed to do the rankings)

So what if Greg has a valid piont. Big deal I could come up with 5 reasons for doing them earlier and 5 for doing them later . As could half the people on here.

When you say Wednesday or Tuesday, are you saying today or tomorrow or are you talking about next week? Frankly I recommend you put them out next week because there are going to be some very big tournaments through-out the state this weekend that may clarify things.

Greg orginal post struck me that he is some what conceded like he had information about how to do the rankings that Class 3 ranking had not already thought through or did not have the forsight to come to the right conclusion. The words frankly and recommend or very stong words for someone making a friendly suggestion

[Bounty Hunter]

This is what you get when you tell your wife your passwords!!

[Greg]

I honestly am befuddled by what I thought was an innocent suggestion causing such a firestorm. I have made comments on occasion that could possibly rub people the wrong way, but I am really surprised this one did.

I only asked about if the rankers were talking about this Tuesday/Wednesday or next because it was Tuesday when they posted that and I honestly wasn't sure which one they were talking about. I can tell you I wasn't trying to be conceited, stupid maybe, but not conceited.

As far as the other comment about next week goes, I only said that because this weekend there is Belton, Lee's Summit, Tiger Classic, etc. (big tournaments all) and they should really clarify things. I know in St. Louis at least there hasn't really been a lot of big matches up to this point, maybe in the rest of the state there has been. I wasn't against posting the rankings this week, I was just trying to make this previous point.

I also wasn't "riding the fence". The ranker came back with an answer and I just acknowledged that point. I was taught that was just good manners, maybe my SEMO upbringing was wrong...we were kind of hillbillys in the Bootheel when I was growing up there.

Thank you for the positive comments, and for those offended that wasn't my intent. I really wonder what the reaction will be if I do make a controversial comment in the future, hanging or gas chamber LOL.

Let's just get back to talking wrestling. And one more time thank you to all of the rankers (Class 1 thru Class 4). You give us something to cuss and discuss.

[powerhouse]

Class 3 fan ,
you know your to blame if you would of had these rankings up sooner they would be arguing over wrestling instead of ranking ha ha

[Greg]

One last comment. My use of the words like frankly and recommendation are just the way I talk. I readily admit my years as a naval officer and writing evaluations probably screwed up my English. I know I must be out of date because the twins started laughing at me the other night when they saw me using full sentences with punctuation in my instamessages to Rich Mitchell of Pleasant Hill. It is hard having to admit you are a dinosaur but oh well.

[powerhouse]

anybody want odds on if thats the last comment or not

[RP-in-Nebraska]

There's nothing wrong with using proper English, Greg. Frankly, I would recommend that everyone should use it. :wink:

[oxman]

There's nothing wrong with using proper English, Greg. Frankly, I would recommend that everyone should use it. :wink:you do what you want for you.but we do not do what you say cause.we do what we do.so just do for you not us.get it.
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[Gladiator Dad]

FRANKLY, I agree with Powerhouse
"Class 3 fan ,
you know your to blame if you would of had these rankings up sooner they would be arguing over wrestling instead of ranking ha ha" :wink:

Actually I think most of realize the amount of work that has to go into getting all of the information necessary to accurately get the rankings together and it is appreciated.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Da doo doo doo, da dah dah dah is all I want to say to you!

[MG_Grievous]

It is hard having to admit you are a dinosaur but oh well.


Speaking of dinosaurs, I went to see the King Kong movie last night.

Wow....a MUST see.

[Class_3_Fan]

powergouse & Ox -

Yes, I suppose you are both correct.

Sorry to be the flame that ignited a messageboard feud, however, the initial rankings are always MUCH MORE time consuming than the subsequent ones. Lack of results, confirmation of weight classes, quality wins, quality losses, off season accomplishments, etc, etc. It takes a good bit of time to pull it all together.

Me and my rankings partner just finished our "discussions" on the 14 sets of rankings (we have different philosophies - both with their merits - which makes it difficult to combine rankings at times).

He should be posting individual rankings any minute now with Team Rankings to follow.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Thanks for the time and effort on the rankings! :smt038

[oxman]

powergouse & Ox -
Yes, I suppose you are both correct.I have NOT been involved in this discussion.

THANK YOU very much for your rankings.
Anyone who questions your thoroughness in attempting to get as much info as possible is misguided.
Muchas gracias............. :)
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[powerhouse]

now that the rankings are coming out I guess we will all play together nicely (i doubt it)

[Greg]

To Rankers: I think you did a great job on the three weight classes I know best, 103-119. You got it about right. Now the wrestlers get to refine it a little better. I think there could be some justified gripping from the Farmington camp about Bradley Wisdom being number two at 103, however I think the way Justin Forrest has improved this year you can't go wrong with him being number one either.

[Class_3_Fan]

Greg --

Thanx.

103 wasn't especially difficult as overall that weight class is not nearly is deep as the others (yet). You may be right regarding Wisdom, however, we felt that he needed to notch a few qualities wins at the High School level before putting him at the top of the list. And..... Forrest is a returning Top 8 wrestler with a productive off-season under his belt.

112 we felt was really loaded loaded with quality and depth. The Top 4 guys there are all pretty even. We felt that Donte's Fargo performance was the difference.

119 was a bit complicated as several of those guys knocked each other off this past weekend at the MO Duals. This weight is not as deep as 112 but deeper than 103.

It will be interesting to see how these weight classes develop as the season progresses.

[Scarf]

Rankings look pretty good.

[Roscoe Russkie]

Hey thanks Class 3 Rankings very impressive work.

[Greg]

If I was ranking 112 and 119 I would have ranked the top kids the same way you did. Butler's 2nd at Junior Nationals elevates him to number one, Newland and Pierce are both returning state champions with Newland being the senior and winning his at 112 so Newland 2 and Pierce 3. At 119 Villiquette and Knott earned their spots by last year's performances.

[Greg]

I think the argument for Bradley Wisdom to be number one is that he beat Justin at Freestyle state and he took 4th at Cadet 98 Fargo. I know Justin took 5th at Junior 105 Fargo, but Cadet 98 was a much deeper and probably tougher bracket.

That being said, I think Justin Forrest may have made as much or more improvement over the last year as anyone else around this weight class. I think he took 3rd at Fall Brawl in an extremely hard 112 bracket.

I think the Farmington people would have a point about Bradley not being number one, however I do not think it is a major error because I think right now Justin and Bradley are about even. My opinion is based on how Justin was wrestling at Fall Brawl and Bradley was wrestling at Fargo.
Bradley did have a quality loss recently if there is such a thing when he only lost to Kyle Bradley by a point. Kyle Bradley is looking really good so far this year.

[Class_3_Fan]

Greg -

I don't disagree with your logic.

With all things being fairly equal (as it was to us in this situation with the information we had), we typically give the nod to the returning wrestler over the Freshman. With Farmington's quality schedule, Bradley Wisdom will have many opportunities this season to show what he is capable of.

And now throwing Jesse Knott into the mix (if rumors of him going 103 are true) really makes this weight class interesting.

[thunderthighs]

Will there be any Honorable mentions added to the rankings like in the other classes?

[bob]

Jesse Knott for sure wreslted 103 tonight. He tech falled Brandon Rose of Sullivan. Justin Knott weighed in at 112 but went ahead and wrestled 119.

[Greg]

Class 3 Fan I agree with you that the upperclassman should get the nod in most cases. As I said earlier, a case can be made for Bradley Wisdom to be number one, however I think it is one of those "six of one, half dozen of another" deals when it comes to ranking Forest and Wisdom. Either one is a good choice for number one.

That all being said, Jesse Knott is right in there with both of them.

[microtech]

I have not seen Wisdom wrestle but I know Forest looks much improved. That being said these rankings will work out over time.

If nothing else the potential battle between these two at St. Charles West Tourney will shed some light on the situation.

[Espo]

Speaking of "time consuming," what job allows so much opportunity for research? I'm thinking career change and need to know what path to blaze. Thanks for the hard work.

[BoogieMom]

Thanks for all your hard work!

[ajk]

Ditto....thanks! Do you have any comments on 125-135?