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mconn
10-25-2006, 05:21 PM
Studds made his first run for Congress in 1970, but lost to the incumbent Republican representative in a close election. In his second bid, in 1972, Studds succeeded, becoming the first Democrat in 50 years to win what had been considered a safe Republican seat.

Studds was a central figure in the 1983 Congressional page sex scandal, when he and Representative Dan Crane were censured by the House of Representatives for separate sexual relationships with minors – in Studds' case, a 1973 sexual relationship with a 17-year-old male congressional page who was of the age of legal consent. The relationship was consensual (which made it legal, in accordance with state law), although very unprofessional of a politician, presenting ethical concerns relating to working relationships with subordinates.

During the course of the House Ethics Committee's investigation, Studds publicly acknowledged his homosexuality, a disclosure that, according to a Washington Post article, "apparently was not news to many of his constituents." Studds stated in an address to the House, "It is not a simple task for any of us to meet adequately the obligations of either public or private life, let alone both, but these challenges are made substantially more complex when one is, as I am, both an elected public official and gay." He acknowledged that it had been inappropriate to engage in a relationship with a subordinate, and said his actions represented "a very serious error in judgment."[2]

The House voted to censure Studds, on July 20, 1983, by a vote of 420-3. While Studds has often been reported as having "turned his back on the House" as the House read its censure motion aloud,[3] contemporary reports made it clear that in contrast to Crane, who faced the House as the motion for his censure was read, Studds faced the Speaker who was actually reading the motion, with his back to the other members.[4] Also in contrast to Crane, who left the chamber after his censure, Studds rejoined the other members of the House after his censure was read.[4] In addition to the censure, the Democratic leadership stripped Studds of his chairmanship of the House Merchant Marine Subcommittee. Studds was later appointed chair of the House Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries. Studds received two standing ovations from supporters in his home district at his first town meeting following his congressional censure.[5]
Studds defended his sexual relationship with the minor as a "consensual relationship with a young adult." The page later appeared publicly with Studds in support of him. Dean Hara, whom Studds married in 2004, said after Studds' death in 2006 that Studds had never been ashamed of the relationship with the page. "This young man knew what he was doing," Hara said.[6]

More from the San Francisco Chronicle:

The Foley scandal is hardly the first involving pages, but it demonstrates the potency of the issue for Republicans. Then-Rep. Gerry Studds, a Massachusetts Democrat, refused to apologize in 1983 for his sexual relationship with a page 10 years earlier, and he even turned his back on the House when the charges against him were read. Studds acknowledged for the first time that he was gay when the relationship came to light, and he held a press conference with the page during which both stated that their actions were no one else's business. Studds was easily re-elected for five more terms until he retired in 1997.

NCMC4life
10-25-2006, 05:49 PM
That is exactly the same information I posted before. The only thing it proves is that you were wrong in your claim that Studds received 3 standing ovations in front of Congress and took bows. It also shows you were wrong when you stated Studds turned turned his back on the gavel. I already brought those inaccuracies to light in the previous thread. You said you would provide documentation to prove me wrong, instead you've provided information that continues to show that your claims were factually incorrect.

mconn
10-25-2006, 05:57 PM
Inaccurate as usual NCMC. This proves exactly what I said. He turned his back on the house. It also disproves what you said that it was at a "town hall meeting" and not in the House. Dont be a weasle I know it's hard for you but try.

As far as my statement about taking his bows it was hyperbole look it up.

NCMC4life
10-25-2006, 06:08 PM
What you said:
"PS Studds was given an ovation in congress, Three of them. He also turned his back on the gavel to take his bows."

"Yes he was. Your link is not the only group that applauded him."

" In the house" "In front of the speaker" if that is not an ovation in congress sir then what is? He did turn his back and I will find the documentation like I always do.


What I said:
"Studds received a standing ovation at a town meeting and not in front of Congress. In addition he was stripped of his leadership position by the Democratic leadership immediatley following censure. It is true that he later went on to get another leadership position (Chair of the House Comm on Merchant Marine and Fisheries), but don't try to rewrite history and say he was not reprimanded."

"No he was not.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonp ... ce+Censure (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/access/125952742.html?dids=125952742:125952742&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&fmac=&date=Aug+12%2C+1983&author=By+Sandra+Evans+Teeley+Washington+Post+Staf f+Writer&desc=Studds+Gets+Standing+Ovations+At+First+Meetin g+Since+Censure)

In addition he didn't turn his back on the gavel. He faced the Speaker who was reading the censure. His back faced the House."
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The information you posted supports exactly what I said. He was given an ovation at a town hall metting, not by Congress. He faced the gavel, he did not turn his back to it. The next time you attempt to patronize someone at least make sure you have your facts right.

mconn
10-25-2006, 06:18 PM
:lol: Nice try but the fact remains that he did turn his back just like I said. The other items are ancillary and really have nothing to do with the way he was treated and recived with open arms by the dems and the way Foley and Crane were treated. This is more about who stands for morality and common sense and who does only when it is politically expedient.

NCMC4life
10-25-2006, 06:25 PM
He certainly did turn his back as we both agreed previously, but as to he turned his back to you were incorrect. The fact remains that you said he turned his back "to the gavel." He turned his back to the House as I said. Crane turned his back to the gavel.

mconn
10-25-2006, 06:32 PM
Former Congressman Gerry Studds (D-MA) may have started this decline (or did he merely reflect declining morality?). Studds had an affair in the early '70s with a 17-year-old male page. Studds was censured by the House in 1983, but famously turned his back to the Speaker in an act of disrespect and rejection of the judgment by his colleagues. He refused to resign and was re-elected to several more terms. A homosexual organization donated $10,000 to his campaign.


Rep. Daniel B. Crane, (R-Ill) had an affair more than two decades ago with a 17-year-old female page. After apologizing, he said he hadn't violated his oath of office, hoped his wife and children would forgive him and announced plans to run for re-election.



I noticed your Avatar is that your IQ or perhaps the number of times you have been correct about things :lol:

A second rate mind will invariably resort to vulgarity to try and suuport their weak arguements.