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Tom Araya
10-24-2006, 01:00 PM
Greetings from sunny (but cold) Lincoln, Nebraska.

This was forwarded to me & is too important not to share.

A soldier's perspective of "Operation Enduring Occupation:"

After Pat’s Birthday

By Kevin Tillman

Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document.

It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we got out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.





Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

Kevin Tillman

Tito Santana
10-24-2006, 01:17 PM
insert mconn ----------->

7wells
10-24-2006, 01:23 PM
Old news, the national media played that up a couple of weeks ago.

RP-in-Nebraska
10-24-2006, 02:07 PM
Pat Tillman was a true patriot. He joined the U.S. military when we needed intelligent able-bodied young leaders. God bless him and his family.

This is a little bit off the subject but what I see to be so funny (meaning odd) is the use of Pat's name by either side of the Iraq debate. Originally, the entire nation was supportive of his decision to join the army and viewed him as a true patriot. When he died, a few from the far left started calling him a G.I. Joe who got what he deserved and an idiot who joined the army to kill Arabs. After learning that he did not support the Iraq war, these people apologized and now view him as a true patriot once again. Why would his personal views on the Iraq war matter when assessing whether or not he was a true American Patriot? I don't get those people.

I respect Kevin Tillman's viewpoint, though I find much of it to be misguided. He, more than anybody else, would know best what Pat's views were.

oldtimer
10-25-2006, 06:08 AM
MY Opinion:

The best way to honor Pat is to take his place:

Opportunities and Bonuses Available for Reenlistment
Week of October 23, 2006

Servicemembers and Veterans interested in reenlistment can earn bonuses of up to $20k, in addition to retaining their rank and pay rate at discharge. The DOD has placed a high priority on attracting prior service personnel, as they already possess strong leadership skills. For more information on the benefits of reenlistment and available bonuses, request information with no obligation here.

http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Home/0,13387,,00.htm

Tito Santana
10-25-2006, 08:37 AM
:roll:

RP-in-Nebraska
10-25-2006, 10:08 AM
:roll:

Why would you post this in response to Oldtimer's post?

oldtimer
10-25-2006, 10:19 AM
[quote="Tito Santana":ee29d]:roll:

Why would you post this in response to Oldtimer's post?[/quote:ee29d]

He is a pinko commie!!!!!

Tito Santana
10-25-2006, 10:34 AM
Im prior service myself. Most people are very loyal and proud of their service in the military and the opportunities it can provide especially OT. I can see both sides of the fence and I dont think it is necessarily the right answer for everyone. I also think joining to honor Pat Tillman is silly. Nothing against you OT, just MHO. If you want to join, join because you beleive in the cause, and because you buy into the whole reason we are over there, and because you feel like it is your duty. Otherwise if you feel the opposite you should honor Pat Tillman and your country by speaking out and actively protesting the war and the reasons we are there, and voting Bush and his criminal gang out of office. Its just the way it came off. Hey, honor are fallen football hero by enlisting in the Army and get a $20,000 bonus (that will be about 13,000 after taxes). 20 G's, sorry man but you can make that in 9 months as a full time employee at McD's and there are no IED's in there. You might get a nasty grease burn or something, but still alot better than getting ripped apart by a RPG in a hummer without adequate armor. Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire in a war he didnt agree with. The the military covered up the fact it was friendly fire. How would it be honoring him by joining the organization he died for and the they lied to his family and the american people about how it happened?

T.D.C.Dad
10-25-2006, 10:52 AM
Well put Tito.

RP-in-Nebraska
10-25-2006, 11:31 AM
Okay, I understand your point better. You are right about not joining the army to honor Pat Tillman but instead one should join for other reasons. However, I must take issue with your statement below.

Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire in a war he didnt agree with. The the military covered up the fact it was friendly fire. How would it be honoring him by joining the organization he died for and the they lied to his family and the american people about how it happened?

You say he was killed in a war that he didn't agree with. That is WRONG! He was killed in Afghanistan - a war in which he agreed whole-heartedly. It was the war in Iraq with which he disagreed and he was NOT killed in Iraq. Why the military covered it up...... I don't know. In my mind, he is no less an honorable patriot because he was accidentally killed than he would have been if he was killed by the Taliban.

Tito Santana
10-25-2006, 11:46 AM
Okay, I understand your point better. You are right about not joining the army to honor Pat Tillman but instead one should join for other reasons. However, I must take issue with your statement below.

[quote="Tito Santana":891b1] Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire in a war he didnt agree with. The the military covered up the fact it was friendly fire. How would it be honoring him by joining the organization he died for and the they lied to his family and the american people about how it happened?

You say he was killed in a war that he didn't agree with. That is WRONG! He was killed in Afghanistan - a war in which he agreed whole-heartedly. It was the war in Iraq with which he disagreed and he was NOT killed in Iraq. Why the military covered it up...... I don't know. In my mind, he is no less an honorable patriot because he was accidentally killed than he would have been if he was killed by the Taliban.[/quote:891b1]

I agree with you there. I never said he was less of a patriot due to the circumstances of his death. Im saying joining the army to honor him is a bit ironic given that the Army itself dishonored him by covering up the facts of his death.
I should have wrote that part better. You are correct on where he was killed ad I should have caught that.

oldtimer
10-25-2006, 12:00 PM
This is actually a question. Did the Army actually cover it up? Or, did it just take a while for all the facts to come to light........

Remember, in the Rangers,,,,,most of their work is classified........maybe it took a while to get the mission declassified.