Howell Central vs. Northwest

[Warren Haynes]

should be an excellent dual. Hope i can make it up there. anyone know what time the varsity dual should start. should be a long haul for those rowdy fans from Northwest. Anyone have any predictions.

103: Kyle Bradley/ Jake Wattercote
112: Sean Kennedy/ Vito Krischke
119: Pat Kennedy/ Herb Krischke
125: Eddie Rogers/ Vito Ingargiola
130: Sean Kelly/ Matt Chandler
135: Nick VanDrew/ Max Wattercote
140: Pete Recor/ Todd Porter
145: Josh Grimes/ Dothage or Nicholas
152: Brad Diekhaus/ Nick Uzzetta
160: Mike Tracy/ Alan Corzine
171:Brandon Beard/ Dale Stafford
189: Jacob Dill/ Ron Porter
215: Ryan Zimmerman/ Brad Aten
275: Steve Richter/ Steve Himmelman

[techfall02]

its gonna be an exciting dual, probably the best two st louis teams in class 4.
here's my predictions:
103: Bradley dec. Waterkotte 3-0
112: Krischke maj dec. kennedy 3-4
119: Kennedy dec. krischke 6-4
125: ingargiola dec. Rodgers 6-7
130: toss up but im going with Kelly dec. chandler 9-7
135: toss up again, Im not sure how waterkotte is adjusting to his new weight so i will give the edge to vandrew...vandrew dec. waterkotte 12-7
140:Porter maj. dec Recor 12-11
145: Nicholas dec. Grimes 12-14
152: Diekhaus dec. Uzzetta.... 15-14..Diekhaus might get a major but uzzetta seems to always keep matches rather close
160: Tracy Maj. Dec Corzine 18-14
171: Beard WBF Stafford 24-14
189: Porter WBF Dill 24-20
215:Aten dec. Zimmerman 24-23
275: Himmelman WBF Richter 24-29

Final Score: Northwest 29, FHC 24

just for fun, lets see some others, this is gonna be a good one

[wrestlefan19]

Bradley could beat watterkotte by more than dec...maybe
Kennedy might do better than a dec against krischke
Tracy could pin Corzine...maybe
Porter will not pin Dill

[howellfan]

Techfall02 wrote "probably the best two st louis teams in class 4"

I would argue that Fort Zumalt West is a far better team than NW or FHC.

[techfall02]

yes my mistake but definately 2 of the top teams....and yes wrestlefan19 all of those are possible.

[wrestlefan19]

I wouldnt say FZW is far and away better than FHC

[techfall02]

I think all three of them would be close in duals, but FZW is the better tournament team IMO.

[wrestlefan19]

ohh i most definetely agree that FZW is the better team i was just saying they are not "far better" as howellfan said

[TDC]

Northwest, but by a larger margin.

[Greg]

I think FZW is the best tournament team in St. Louis, however I think that FHC could wrestle FZW close in a dual. FHC is a pretty tough dual team. I don't know enough about Northwest's upper weights to make a prediction on this dual.

[wrestlefan19]

what time does it start?

[downtownpinco]

central is an exellent team this year and have very few weak points but i do agree that FZW and FHC will be a very close dual i dont know enough about NW to say anything about them

[downtownpinco]

anybody know what Porter has done this year

[scottwashere]

I look forward to seeing the 103 match, I know Kyle B. was a great little Laager but, I feel Jake has started to close the gab. Tomorrow will tell the story.

[howellfan]

I would assume freshman and jv start wrestling at 6 and varisty when they are done.

[previous fhc wrestler]

My predidction is that Howell central will pull of this dual meet. NW is good but central is solid, should be good though. I also believe that FZW is a very solid team and will be tough in dual and tournament. I would love to see the dual.

[Randy B]

Times for tonight are:

Weigh-ins 4:00 pm
Freshman And JV 5:00 pm
Varsity 6:00 pm (approx.)

[Randy B]

Scottwashere....
Jake has always been a great wrestler and given Kyle all he could handle...but I will make sure he knows what you think before 6 tonight.

[scottwashere]

I agree both this young men a wonderful wrestlers!

[Louden]

I think FZW is the best tournament team in St. Louis, however I think that FHC could wrestle FZW close in a dual. FHC is a pretty tough dual team. I don't know enough about Northwest's upper weights to make a prediction on this dual.

Greg, that's not fair! I want to hear your predicitons! At least do the ones you know of!

[Louden]

anybody know what Porter has done this year

Which one? Both Todd and Ron are 7-0 so far...

[Louden]

its gonna be an exciting dual, probably the best two st louis teams in class 4.
here's my predictions:
103: Bradley dec. Waterkotte 3-0
112: Krischke maj dec. kennedy 3-4
119: Kennedy dec. krischke 6-4
125: ingargiola dec. Rodgers 6-7
130: toss up but im going with Kelly dec. chandler 9-7
135: toss up again, Im not sure how waterkotte is adjusting to his new weight so i will give the edge to vandrew...vandrew dec. waterkotte 12-7
140:Porter maj. dec Recor 12-11
145: Nicholas dec. Grimes 12-14
152: Diekhaus dec. Uzzetta.... 15-14..Diekhaus might get a major but uzzetta seems to always keep matches rather close
160: Tracy Maj. Dec Corzine 18-14
171: Beard WBF Stafford 24-14
189: Porter WBF Dill 24-20
215:Aten dec. Zimmerman 24-23
275: Himmelman WBF Richter 24-29

Final Score: Northwest 29, FHC 24

just for fun, lets see some others, this is gonna be a good one

I hear Bradley has pinned Jake in LL. I know this isn't little league anymore but it still is a reasonable head to head match to go by...

I think Vito Krischke can pin Sean.

Big Kennedy has beat Herb in LL and has more varsity experience...

Rodgers and Ingar should be close and could go either way depending on which Ingarigiola shows up. The one that lost to Banderet will lose to Rodgers, but the one that won the Super District last year will win.

Kelly has the power and varsity experience over Chandler at this point in time and should be favored. By the end of the year though... Those Chandlers improve at incredible rates...

Van Drew is someone I know little of but since he gave a decent match to Grassmuck at state last year (5-4) I'd have to say he is probably favored by a little bit since Waterkotte is wrestling above his ideal weight.

Porter IMO will take this one.

I don't know anything about Grimes. Nicholas is a first year varsity but looked good at Fox going 5-1.

Diekhaus vs Uzzetta, good one. This will be a huge test for Uzzetta to prove he has come along a lot since last year. SQ Diekhaus is favored but a Uzzetta who is "on" should be in this match.

Tracy should be favored over Corzine and could get a fall. To be in this match Corzine will have to be on the top of his game.

Beard should get the fall over Stafford

Ron Porter vs Dill. Dill won this in the dual last year, but when Porter is on, he is a freight train. If we see the Porter that took 2nd at State he will pin Dill quickly. If not, then Dill can be in this match, but Ron is the favored.

I don't know anything about Zimmerman except he wrestled JV against us last year and I think he beat Aten on that dual... Aten put on some summer work so this could be close.

With Heavies, anything can happen, but I would think that Steve Himmelmann is the favored here.

I think this is a dual that either team can win on a given day.
With this dual I think it could be down to the wire, or if one team wins all of the close matches then it could be a dual that doesn't look as close as it was. It could very well come down to one determing match, or which team gets pins.

[Warren Haynes]

Times for tonight are:

Weigh-ins 4:00 pm
Freshman And JV 5:00 pm
Varsity 6:00 pm (approx.)

you guys start them early in st. chuck

[Greg]

Darth the weights I know I won't offer any predictions. I know all the kids/families involved and don't particularly want to say anything negative about any of them. I wish them all well. I wish I had the time to see this dual because it should be a fun dual to watch. I didn't mean to slight Northwest earlier because I think (from the weights I know) that they could also give FZW a run in a dual. FZW in a tournament is another matter.

[Louden]

Greg, I would never take a slight from someone offering their opinion that one team is better than the team I support. Everyone is entitled to opinions, and everyone is entitled to having their favorite team. If my brother was wrestling 152 and someone told me they thought Diekhaus would beat him, I wouldn't care. Some people might get upset about that, but I think they are silly to get upset.

Greag, would you be upset if I told you I thougth Krischke would beat your son in an real match? I'm not saying that of course because I don't know and I haven't seen him wrestle, but just for a hypothetical situation, would you be upset if I said that? I doubt you would.

[Louden]

should be a long haul for those rowdy fans from Northwest.


Warren, I loved the fan banter between Fox and Northwest. It was great! The past couple of years the student body at Northwest seems to have really got behind the wrestling team. I remember back in 1998 the crowds weren't very big at all, and now they are huge.

Plus, Fox has a history of having a large fan base and they are and have been very vocal. I can think of countless occasions at the Fox Tourney and the Vianney Tourney where Fox owned the house with their large fan base. It just seems that at this point in time Northwest has had the larger and more vocal fan base. Anytime there is an away dual and it's going to be a good one, even though the dual is away the Northwest fan base usually doubles the home team crowd present. I think that's pretty cool.

I don't know if those kids will make it all the way to Francis Howell Central, but I hope so. It will be fun, plus it will be Northwest's biggest dual test of the year. FHC is loaded from top to bottom with solid kids. I don't see a State Champ on their team (you never know) but they are pretty loaded which makes a great dual team.

[Randy B]

I think the start time was something that was worked out with the Athletic directors so the visiting school didn't get back home so late, we normally don't start that early.
It would be great to have a huge crowd tonight (we had standing room only when we dualed Howell last week), but with the early start and the distance between schools I would say the student body from both schools probably aren't familiar enough with each other to create that friendly rivalry...yet. Maybe Mr. Eagen can help get the rivalry going they used to live the Howell Central district.

Darth,
If you are at the dual tonight I would like to meet you, ask Rick Waterkotte to introduce you.

[Louden]

I think the start time was something that was worked out with the Athletic directors so the visiting school didn't get back home so late, we normally don't start that early.
It would be great to have a huge crowd tonight (we had standing room only when we dualed Howell last week), but with the early start and the distance between schools I would say the student body from both schools probably aren't familiar enough with each other to create that friendly rivalry...yet. Maybe Mr. Eagen can help get the rivalry going they used to live the Howell Central district.

Darth,
If you are at the dual tonight I would like to meet you, ask Rick Waterkotte to introduce you.

I'll do that! Maybe we can get Warren together as well and then go for drinks later! Okay... I'm getting a head of myself...

FHC is off of HWY N right?

[howellfan]

Yes FHC is off HWY N

[Warren Haynes]

I think that the Northwest fans are great. From what i hear they are pretty good fans for all sports. I hope they do show up tonight and i hope that i can make it up there.

[Louden]

Yes FHC is off HWY N

Right on, it's only 8 minutes from my house.

[Greg]

No Darth I wouldn't be upset and he may indeed be better. I wish Eureka got to wrestle you guys because I think it would be a good match. By the way I wouldn't be upset because I consider you someone who knows what they are talking about (most of the time at least LOL).

[Louden]

(most of the time at least LOL).

What's that supposed to mean?! Hahaha!

Honestly I don't know who would win. I know that your son did better or just as good over the summer in practice but matches are different. However it does look like your son kicks major butt in real matches as well so I have no clue. I do think that Vito is the king of funk and could catch anyone, but your boy is the man so catching someone like him would be a hard thing to do for even the best. As good as I was expecting him to be, a techfall over Wendal Jones is just.... yeesh!

[Warren Haynes]

there was no way i could make a 6 o'clock start time, so if anyone could fill me and everyone else in when you get home, i would be much obliged.

[wrestlefan19]

should be an excellent dual. Hope i can make it up there. anyone know what time the varsity dual should start. should be a long haul for those rowdy fans from Northwest. Anyone have any predictions.

103: Kyle Bradley/ Jake Wattercote
112: Sean Kennedy/ Vito Krischke
119: Pat Kennedy/ Herb Krischke
125: Eddie Rogers/ Vito Ingargiola
130: Sean Kelly/ Matt Chandler
135: Nick VanDrew/ Max Wattercote
140: Pete Recor/ Todd Porter
145: Josh Grimes/ Dothage or Nicholas
152: Brad Diekhaus/ Nick Uzzetta
160: Mike Tracy/ Alan Corzine
171:Brandon Beard/ Dale Stafford
189: Jacob Dill/ Ron Porter
215: Ryan Zimmerman/ Brad Aten
275: Steve Richter/ Steve Himmelman

103: Kyle Bradley wbTfall-Bradley dominated!
112: Vito WBF kennedy
119: Kennedy wbd 6-4 closer than it should have been kennedy was wrestling for the meet win so he was bein very careful
125: Ingarg wbf Rodgers
130: Kelly Wbf Chandler
135: Waterkotte WBF Vandrew-Vandrew was winning the whole match but max caught him
140: Porter wbf Recor-Recor also was winning(close tho) and got caught
145: dont remember I think grimes by dec
152: Uzetta wbf Diekhaus-again Brad was winning and got caught
160: Tracy took a forfeit??? were they afraid of him?
171: Beard wbd 1-0 i think
189: Dill wbd 11-10 Two big throws a early head and arm by porter and a lat drop by dill in the 2nd some controversy but for no reason Dill won fair and square
215: dont remember
275: Zimmerman wbd Himmelman-Zimmerman looked pretty good

[TDC]

So does that mean NW lost, I got it 31-28 NW with a don't remember, I don't know how to score that. Anyone have the final score.

[THE FAT SHALL OVERCOME]

1: the final score was fhc oveer northwest 32 to 31
2: grimes lost by dec. 8-4
3: the fhc (filler) 215 lost to northwest, I don't remember how exactly but I think it was a pin.
4: the fhc hwt didn't wrestle because he was late to school and the class he skipped wasthe head coach's class.(thats what I hear)
overall I think it was an amazing matchup. tho i am depressed I didn't get to see tracy wrestle.......

[Louden]

should be an excellent dual. Hope i can make it up there. anyone know what time the varsity dual should start. should be a long haul for those rowdy fans from Northwest. Anyone have any predictions.

103: Kyle Bradley/ Jake Wattercote
112: Sean Kennedy/ Vito Krischke
119: Pat Kennedy/ Herb Krischke
125: Eddie Rogers/ Vito Ingargiola
130: Sean Kelly/ Matt Chandler
135: Nick VanDrew/ Max Wattercote
140: Pete Recor/ Todd Porter
145: Josh Grimes/ Dothage or Nicholas
152: Brad Diekhaus/ Nick Uzzetta
160: Mike Tracy/ Alan Corzine
171:Brandon Beard/ Dale Stafford
189: Jacob Dill/ Ron Porter
215: Ryan Zimmerman/ Brad Aten
275: Steve Richter/ Steve Himmelman

103: Kyle Bradley wbTfall-Bradley dominated!
112: Vito WBF kennedy
119: Kennedy wbd 6-4 closer than it should have been kennedy was wrestling for the meet win so he was bein very careful
125: Ingarg wbf Rodgers
130: Kelly Wbf Chandler
135: Waterkotte WBF Vandrew-Vandrew was winning the whole match but max caught him
140: Porter wbf Recor-Recor also was winning(close tho) and got caught
145: dont remember I think grimes by dec
152: Uzetta wbf Diekhaus-again Brad was winning and got caught
160: Tracy took a forfeit??? were they afraid of him?
171: Beard wbd 1-0 i think
189: Dill wbd 11-10 Two big throws a early head and arm by porter and a lat drop by dill in the 2nd some controversy but for no reason Dill won fair and square
215: dont remember
275: Zimmerman wbd Himmelman-Zimmerman looked pretty good

Wrestlefan19, that is way off! hahaha! Also, you seem very biased in your post... Diekhaus was winning? Okay, Diekhaus was up 2-1 or something when he got pinned. I hardley would label that as winning the match and getting caught...

FHC wins 32-31

103: Kyle Bradley TF Jake Waterkotte
112: Vito WBF kennedy
119: Kennedy wbd 5-4 Herb Krischke
125: Ingarg Maj Rodgers 13-3 (Even FHC people said Rdgers was pinned... oh well)
130: Kelly Wbf Eime
135: Vandrew wbd 8-6 Chandler
140: Waterkotte WBF Recor
145: Porter dec Grimes 8-4
152: Uzzetta wbf Diekhaus
160: Tracy forfeit
171: Beard wbd 1-0 Corzine
189: Dill wbd 11-10 Porter (there was a questionable call at the end and many think Dill was pinned in the first-plus why wasn't there an illegal headlock point awarded to Porter? I thougth that's why they stopped it...)
215: Aten WBF Dulle
275: Zimmerman wbd Himmelman 8-1

Great dual, very exciting. I would have like to see some calls go Northwests way for once but that's how it works and you can't really make a fuss about such things. If you wrestled better then those calls wouldn't even matter. FHC is a very solid team up and down the line-up. I would have liked to see the kids wrestle at their normal weights but there was no choice but to bump them since Wes Nicholas at 145 came down with mono and couldn't wrestle. It left too much up to chance and the right line up changes were made. The Corzine move was a good one to save some points... too bad the match went 1-0...

Great wrestling and good job to FHC. Man did Bradley impress me..... the kids a stud. I might have to take back what i said earlier about not seeing a State Champ on the FHC squad. There still are going to be some challenges out there for Bradley but he has shown me that he is up for it!

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Wrestlefan19, that is way off! hahaha! Also, you seem very biased in your post... Diekhaus was winning? Okay, Diekhaus was up 2-1 or something when he got pinned. I hardley would label that as winning the match and getting caught...


189: Dill wbd 11-10 Porter (there was a questionable call at the end and many think Dill was pinned in the first-plus why wasn't there an illegal headlock point awarded to Porter? I thougth that's why they stopped it...)


Great dual, very exciting. I would have like to see some calls go Northwests way for once ..... I would have liked to see the kids wrestle at their normal weights but there was no choice......

And you are calling WF19 biased? At least WF19 was factually correct. Your post that I've quoted above is speculation and opinion.

[northco]

if a head lock starts legal and then slips illegal then it is called potenitally dangerous. NO POINTS AWARDED..is my guess I wasn't there.

[Louden]

And you are calling WF19 biased? At least WF19 was factually correct. Your post that I've quoted above is speculation and opinion.

He was not factual, he had tons of mistakes on the matches. Get off your high horse and take a look. Hell at least I am giving FHC tons of respect for last night.

Plus, the 152 match was a very close and good match. After several good takedown attempts by both, Diekhaus got the first. I can't remember whether Uzzetta got an escape that period or not, but it was a good contested bout. Then in the second it was a repeat, another closely contested bout and the first big mistake made was capitalized on. That's it. There is no way you can really label one guy as "winning" this match, it was barely even half over.

The 189 match is my opinion and I thought that was clear. I was also told by FHC people that they thought Dill was stuck the first round. I personally couldn't see it from my angle but that's what I was told.

[Louden]

if a head lock starts legal and then slips illegal then it is called potenitally dangerous. NO POINTS AWARDED

Thanks for the info. I didn't know that.

[Warner]

Sounds like it was a good dual. One that Northwest would probably like to do again. Go GAC!

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Darth,

My "factual" reference was to the fact that WF19 stated that somebody was "winning" before he got pinned. I interpret "winning" to mean ahead on the scorecard. If my interpretation was correct (I don't know how else to interpret the term "winning") then WF19 wsa factually correct. I respect your opinions on commentary but I thought it was odd that you accused WF19 of being biased and then continued to explain away some of the losses as attributed to a no-call on a pin, wrestling up a weight class, bad calls, etc. As I stated in my reply to your PM, I meant no offense - it was just my interpretation of your post. Besides, didn't you want someone to assume the role of "jerk" on this talk forum? :-D

Please take my comment with a grain of salt and keep your commentary coming.

[mustanglives]

That sounded like a great dual!!

That is what helps prepare both teams for the stretch to state. Win or lose...a team is better by battling with good opponents.

Let th outcomes stand and learn and move on.

[Louden]

That's not how I took it. I took his post as pretty saying that one wrestler was better and he got caught. All I was saying was that it was a good match and the first big mistake was made by Diekhaus and it was capitalized upon by a good wrestler. I am not even sitting here saying that Uzzetta is better than Diekhaus, just that it was a close good match and it ended the way it did because one guy made a simple mistake and the other guy was good enough to capitalize. If they wrestle again Diekhaus could very well win, or he could be outscored and beaten. Who knows. It wasn't like it was a blow out, Diekhaus was up by just one takedown after 4 minutes or wrestling. That's nothing.

The same thing with the Maxx Waterkotte match. Who cares if someone was up a couple of points? I felt that Wrestlefan was almost making up excuses with the "He was winning and got caught" as in it was lucky...

I said he was biased because I didn't see any credit being given to any Northwest wrestlers in his post. I saw nothing but big pluses on the matches they won and then "he got caught" on matches lost, and even a "He was being careful" on a match that was close.

Anyways, FHC wrestled very well last night and they deserve the win every bit as much as the wrestlers who wrestled and won the individual matches. I was glad to witness the intensity of the dual and too bad they won't dual again because this is one I feel either team could win on a given day.

[TDC]

I agree with Darth, the post was if nothing else mis-leading in regards to that match, however, as someone who was checking every 15 minutes or so for the results, it was better than nothing. Sounds like it was a great match-up. A one point win in this dual further verifies that these two teams are # 2 and 3 on this side of the state.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

TDC, are you TDCDad's son?

[WrestlerSIS16]

130: Kelly Wbf Eime .

Darth I was just wanting to know if this is correct. Chris Eime goes to Seckman. There is a Jerry Eime at Northwest, but I was not aware he wrestled.

[Louden]

TDC, are you TDCDad's son?

If that's true then he is pretty articulate. Most younglings who post on here have embarrassing grammar.

[Louden]

130: Kelly Wbf Eime .

Darth I was just wanting to know if this is correct. Chris Eime goes to Seckman. There is a Jerry Eime at Northwest, but I was not aware he wrestled.

It was Chris Eime, he transferred.

He has always lived at Northwest but has been going to Seckman because of some zoning changes.

Recently the School Board was looking at the zoning changes and realized that he has been going to the wrong school. So the changes were made.

Also, this was reviewed as far as athletics and it was found that since this error was not his fault, he should not be penalized for being at the wrong school and he is allowed to wrestle.

Chris is a great addition to Northwest and we are proud to have him.

Oh, BTW... I am full of sh!t. I have no idea who this Eime guy was wrestling for Northwest. Never heard of him before, and yes Chris Eime was and still is a tough varsity wrestler from Seckman. ahahha!

[TDC]

TDC, are you TDCDad's son?

No, just an X-NW guy. TDCDad is an imposter. :lol:

[previous fhc wrestler]

I new that that would be a great dual. I figured that NW was good, didnt really know how well their line up was. I'm shoched that Diekhas lost, hes tough though. Good job FHC.

[Randy B]

Great Dual! I'm suprised no one mentioned the crowd support on both sides! A tip of the cap to the Northwest faithful that made the trip! It was awesome as a spectator when both sides started cheering for their team at the same time! Great job by the students from Howell Central and Northwest!

Getting caught, judgement calls, no calls, my opinion, your opinion, wrestlers exceeding expectations, and others having a bad day are all part of the sport. That's why a match is 6 minutes long because you never know what might happen. All I know is that it was an exciting evening for all that were there!

It was a pleasure finally meeting the infamous Darth!

[Louden]

Getting caught, judgement calls, no calls, my opinion, your opinion, wrestlers exceeding expectations, and others having a bad day are all part of the sport. That's why a match is 6 minutes long because you never know what might happen. All I know is that it was an exciting evening for all that were there!

Agreed. I think the two teams are so close in dual meet strength and either could win on a given day, which is evident by 3 matches ending in a 1 point difference, just like the total dual score.


It was a pleasure finally meeting the infamous Darth!

Why am I infamous and not famous? :(

[howellfan]

Here is a link to an article in the Post Dispatch about the meet
http://prepsports.stltoday.com/ssi/prep ... enDocument (http://prepsports.stltoday.com/ssi/prep/stories2006.nsf/wrestling/story/60CD703E7C295F30862570D600190C84?OpenDocument)

[wrestlefan19]

i really enjoyed some of the FHC chants
you should play bball (jake waterkotte)?
very rowdy crowds
and not being biased but i had a great view dill was not stuck
Rogers maybe and the others wouldve been stuck anyways so it doesnt mater but the ref was callin em quick