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Tom Araya
08-13-2006, 03:13 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... e_next_war (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/10962352/iran_the_next_war)

I implore you all to read this article in the recent issue of Rolling Stone. Ignorance & acceptance of the neocon agenda is no longer acceptable. It is anti-American and dangerous to our nation's very survival. If you can't invest that much time, I've pasted here 1/6th of the article, the part which has the most "juice." Please make yourself a better-informed citizen. Here's Part IV of the six part article:

Such covert efforts by Feith's team in the Pentagon started to have the desired effect. In November 2003, Rumsfeld approved a plan known as CONPLAN 8022-02, which for the first time established a pre-emptive-strike capability against Iran. That was followed in 2004 by a top-secret "Interim Global Strike Alert Order" that put the military on a state of readiness to launch an airborne and missile attack against Iran, should Bush issue the command. "We're now at the point where we are essentially on alert," said Lt. Gen. Bruce Carlson, commander of the 8th Air Force. "We have the capacity to plan and execute global strikes in half a day or less."

But as the Pentagon moved the country closer to war with Iran, the FBI was expanding its investigation of AIPAC and its role in the plot. David Szady, then the bureau's top spy-catcher, had become convinced that at least one American citizen working inside the U.S. government was spying for Israel. "It's no longer just our traditional adversaries who want to steal our secrets, but sometimes even our allies," Szady declared. "The threat is incredibly serious." To locate the spy sometimes referred to as Mr. X, agents working for Szady began focusing on a small group of neoconservatives in the Pentagon—including Feith, Ledeen and Rhode.

The FBI also had its sights on Larry Franklin, who continued to hold clandestine meetings with Rosen at AIPAC. Apparently nervous that the FBI might be on to them, the two men started taking precautions. On March 10th, 2003, barely a week before the invasion of Iraq, Rosen met Franklin in Washington's cavernous Union Station. The pair met at one restaurant, then they hustled to another, and finally they ended up in a third—this one totally empty. As an added precaution, Franklin also began sending faxes to Rosen's home instead of to his AIPAC offices.

A few days later, Rosen and Weissman passed on to Israeli-embassy officials details about the draft of the top-secret presidential directive on Iran, saying they had received the document from a "friend of ours in the Pentagon." They also relayed to the Israelis details about internal Bush-administration discussions on Iran. Then, two days before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Rosen leaked the information to the press with the comment "I'm not supposed to know this." The Washington Post eventually published the story under the headline "Pressure Builds for President to Declare Strategy on Iran," crediting the classified information to "well-placed sources." The story mentioned Ledeen, who helped found the Coalition for Democracy in Iran, a pressure group dedicated to the overthrow of the Iranian government, but gave no indication that the leak had come from someone with a definite agenda for planting the information.

That June, Weissman called Franklin and left a message that he and Rosen wanted to meet with him again and talk about "our favorite country." The meeting took place in the Tivoli Restaurant, a dimly lit establishment two floors above the metro station in Arlington that was frequently used by intelligence types for quiet rendezvous. Over lunch in the mirrored dining room, the three men discussed the Post article, and Rosen acknowledged "the constraints" Franklin was under to meet with them. But the Pentagon official placed himself fully at AIPAC's disposal. "You set the agenda," Franklin told Rosen.

In addition to meeting Rosen and Weissman, Franklin was also getting together regularly with Naor Gilon, an Israeli embassy official who, according to a senior U.S. counterintelligence official, "showed every sign of being an intelligence agent." Franklin and Gilon would normally meet amid the weight machines and punching bags at the Pentagon Officers Athletic Club, where Franklin passed along secret information regarding Iran's activities in Iraq, its missile-testing program and even, apparently, New York Times reporter Judith Miller. At one point, Gilon suggested that Franklin meet with Uzi Arad, Mossad's former director of intelligence and former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's foreign-policy adviser. A week later, Franklin had lunch in the Pentagon cafeteria with the former top Israeli spy.

RP-in-Nebraska
08-14-2006, 08:23 AM
I don't see why this is supposed to be shocking. I think we as the American public have known that Iran is a possible threat for several months. The FBI, CIA, NSA, the President, Congress, et al have probably known it for much longer and were acting in a manner that they felt appropriate by drafting plans for a war with Iran. I'm sure we have contingency plans for other nations such as North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, and who knows who else. I would also bet that Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Kennedy, etc all had war plans for who they percieved as threats.

Tom Araya
08-14-2006, 09:39 AM
You don't find it shocking that people are committing crimes in order to start another war? One conviction already, more to follow. Like Hannity always says, "You're a great American." :roll:

RP-in-Nebraska
08-14-2006, 09:52 AM
Maybe it's because you only posted part 4, but I'm not following you. I've read the entire post but didn't see anything about a conviction. Post a cliff-notes version of the entire article and maybe that will explaing it for me. But from what I've read, the FBI has a spy and giving information about plans to got to war with Iran if it is ever needed. This is not shocking to me.

Help me see what you see. :smt102

eagle1
08-14-2006, 10:16 AM
Tom,

I am not surprised that much of these items are taking place, I don't think we should ever be surprised that government officials at all levels are committing crimes. I don't think we should accept it either.

That said. You are quoting a rolling stone article here. Considering the volumes you've written regarding the reliability of sources, what makes you feel this source is 100% reliable?

wrestlefan19
08-14-2006, 10:18 AM
Tom,

That said. You are quoting a rolling stone article here. Considering the volumes you've written regarding the reliability of sources, what makes you feel this source is 100% reliable?

:lol:
seems he has you there Tom

Tom Araya
08-14-2006, 10:40 AM
Maybe it's because you only posted part 4, but I'm not following you. I've read the entire post but didn't see anything about a conviction. Post a cliff-notes version of the entire article and maybe that will explaing it for me. But from what I've read, the FBI has a spy and giving information about plans to got to war with Iran if it is ever needed. This is not shocking to me.

Help me see what you see. :smt102

Well, then, I owe you an apology. I thought you had read the entire article, not just part 4. I thought it was the most intriguing, but I see it loses some of its zing out of the context of the entirety of the corpus.

The extremely annotated Cliff's version is this: US pays Chalabi a lot of money, US installs Chalabi as leader of new Iraq, turns out Chalabi is double-agent for Iran (big surprise) & he shares info on troop movements et al, making it easier for Iranian-backed militias to snipe on US soldiers.

Larry Franklin, who works close with Douglas Feith, was recently convicted of passing classifed information to a pro-Israel lobbying group. Other indictments are to follow in short order. Feith's office is responsible for "selling" the war in Iran to the American public, just as they did the Iraqi war. They are using the same duplicitous statements as they did leading up to Iraq, but it's a much tougher sell (at least I hope so) the second time around.

You really need to read the whole article. There's a lot of devil's in the details.

Tom Araya
08-14-2006, 10:49 AM
Tom,

I am not surprised that much of these items are taking place, I don't think we should ever be surprised that government officials at all levels are committing crimes. I don't think we should accept it either.

That said. You are quoting a rolling stone article here. Considering the volumes you've written regarding the reliability of sources, what makes you feel this source is 100% reliable?

It's easy enough to fact-check it. Franklin was in fact convicted. That's easy enough to check. Others are being investigated, at least according to many sources, such as the Washington Post, NY Times, Wall Street Journal, & RS. Just Google some of the keywords in the article if you have a question about a source. I've done it & found some FOIA stuff regarding AIPAC. Though the evidence that's publicly available is somewhat limited, it does appear that Chalabi at least looks guilty of being a double-agent, though what is available is only circumstantial. But his finger-prints seem to be in the vicinity of Iran finding out that the US had broken their encrypted codes, which hid messages giving US troop commanders evidence that Iranian-backed Shiite militias were operating in the area, thus endangering American lives. Iraqi police did invade Chalabi's home (that was on every newscast in America & in every single paper); from this they discovered that Chalabi's chief of security possessed info on US troop movements and other top-secret info.

But here's where it gets a bit shady, because as the RS article points out, and as Lesley Stahl said on CBS, the US government had rock-solid evidence that Chalabi was a double-agent, but it was so sensitive that to report would get Americans killed. CBS agreed not to air all of the evidence to protect American lives. I say kudos to them, though it forces us to accept on faith that Chalabi is in fact guilty (though the circumstantial evidence is fairly weighty). To date, he has not been prosecuted.

But most curious of all, because of Chalabi's involvement, the US has now created a pro-Iranian government in Baghdad. I hope this was not their original intent. Especially because it was Chalabi who was sitting behind Laura Bush at the SOTU Address. It doesn't look to good knowing what we know now.