moberly vs mexico dual

[ncmcalumni]

Moberly won this dual by a landslide but they did it very unethically. They moved 4 or 5 of their guys around during the dual. They weighed kids in at one weight but moved them up during the dual. This is just wrong.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

There's probably more to it than that. However, you are getting upset that a team bumped their kids up a weight? Would it have made a difference if they had simply weighed in a the higher weight?

On the other hand, I thought MSHSAA had rules governing which team had to declare which weights their kids would be at and then abide by that. Does anybody know the rules in regards to this?

[Scarf]

Its not wrong, and it is not unethical. It is part of being a good coach. You are allowed to move kids around in order to give your team the best chance to win. You are allowed to wrestle at one weight class above the weight that you qualify to wrestle.

[GaryM]

Why is that unethical? Each coach has the option to do the same, that's why you take the flip and one coach has to send their wrestler up first. Also, with the rules on number of weigh-ins for State, it could be that they always intended on wrestling them up but wanted their kids to have the weigh-in at the lower weight. Either way, I don't see a problem with moving your kids around for better matchups. That's one of the few things a coach has control of during a dual.

[hangout-rockout]

Has the Mexico coach not been around long? Sounds like that the Moberly coaches played their cards better than the Mexico coaches.

[cardsfsc]

Nothing wrong or unethical about it. Scarf and Gary M are right on the money.

[Clark_W_Griswald]

Nothing wrong or unethical about it. Scarf and Gary M are right on the money.

Ditto.

You must get mad when you play football against someone who's listed as a D-back and the coach moves him down to Linebacker?

[fowler]

LOL,,,there is nothing wrong with it, its STRATEGY! A coach has to pick the math-ups they think are advantageous for their team. You want to exploit the weak points of your opponents. Thats why sometimes a strong wrestler will get bumped up or down on a roster to face a weaker opponent, to avoid one that is even stronger. Its not wrong, its very smart.

[ncmcalumni]

Well you all act like this is normal.....our coach didn't think it was OK. In our paper he said it was unethical. Are you saying our coach is wrong? I don't think we would ever do that to a team.

[C2Rankingforfun]

Ethics is subjective to each indivdual. You may not like it, we may not like it, but such is life. If its legal, its fair, deal with it.

[hangout-rockout]

ncmcallumni- if your coach doesn't juggle the line up to get the best possible matchups then how succesful will your team be?? By the sound of it not very good!

[RP-in-Nebraska]

I'm unclear on the rules. Can somebody help me out?

Ox, Fudge, Northco, THFZN, Smith

When does the coach have to decide on who is going at what weight? In the locker room? At mat-side?

Who must send out a wrestler first? Home team? Away team?

How are these rules different for tournaments? Individuals must be seeded so is there any shifting allowed after the seeding meetings? At a tourney, who must declare at what weights individuals will participate in first? In other words, can a coach change his mind at the seeding meetings after he has already declared a wrestler to be at a certain weight in order to either avoid a certain wrestler or go after a certain wrestler?

[cardsfsc]

You don't need to "declare" who's going to wrestle at what weight before the time you need to send your wrestler to the table....which is decided before the dual with the coin flip.
As for tournaments, this really isn't a big deal. I believe the rule is if a seeded wrestler is later withdrawn from a wt. class then he can't be seeded at another wt. class. I've only seen this come into play once...way back in the good old days with the whole Helias pulling out of the Rock Bridge Tournament of Champions deal.
Now I don't know if there were some other details missing from this particular dual but there's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to get the best match ups for your team to be successful. I'm not going to tell you that your coach is wrong but if he thinks that's unethical then he needs to find another state to coach in b/c he's going to see a lot of "unethical" coaches in the future if he doesn't:)

[omnifan]

What strategy options were available to the Mexico coach to counter the Moberly coach's lineup adjustments?

[legrider]

I would say that if a coach moves a wrestler up to another weight class for matchup issues, the other coach needs to make sure they win the weight class that the wrestler moved up from so it doesn't impact match. That might curb some of the jockeying of wrestlers. Now NCMC Alum you can't say Mexico wouldn't do such a thing because a couple of years ago Mexico did do it with Cuno against Furhman (from Moberly). Cuno jumped between 160 and 171 depending on matchup and how he could help team. Now granted this was with different coaching but if you were following Mexico you would remember that it did happen with these same schools a couple years ago. Now if I am a coach I can see making sure I get my top kids a matches. If I am not mistaken I think Tutt had an open at 130 and Moberly bumped him to 135 if not you could have a stud that everybody would run from and he wouldn't see any matches. So whether the running started before weighins or at the table things like this are going to happen.

[wrastler]

Moberly was at the top of their game against Mexico. Grab a websters and look up ethical.

[wrastler]

You just dont leave your best man sitting on the bench. Jason Tutt placed third at state last year and the best man should always be the one on the mat. Moberly coaching staff made the right call by bumping Tutt up and giving the 125lber James Tayon the forfeit.

[The Governor]

The unethical comments are ridiculous, Moberly has an outstanding wrestling team and they are obviously well coached. Lots of good kids who show up to win. Kudos to the Savannah kids as well they posted six (6) kids in the championship round.