Rallo Stalling Calls...

[Louden]

Anyone want to make a guess as to how many stalling calls Rallo made during the Fox vs. Northwest Dual on Tuesday? I kept track of each one...

Who will get it right?

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Seven

[Louden]

Wrong.

Anyone else?

[obiefan]

14 weight classes......

40 times :?

[fudge tunnel]

let's see...... :-k .......12 matches (2 forfeits) ..........hmmmm .........average 3 per match ..........let's say 35-40 stalling calls?

[coachsdtr]

25

[Louden]

let's see...... :-k .......12 matches (2 forfeits) ..........hmmmm .........average 3 per match ..........let's say 35-40 stalling calls?

You forget a lot of those matches ended up in 1st and 2nd period pins...

There were 16 total stalling calls, and one double stalling call.

I'll keep this thread updated with each dual I see.

[Louden]

Let's just say that there wasn't a single match that went into the third period without a stalling call. Basically, no matter what happens, if you wrestle a full match, expect Rallo to be calling stalling.

I'm not complaining because our team got fronted either. In fact, Rallo gave our Heavyweight a gift to go to OT by evening out the score.

It's so bad that if I was a coach or a wrestler, I would have to plan a different strategy with Rallo as a ref. That's pretty bad when a referee is going to influence a match that much that you have to change your strategy and how you wrestle...

Matt Chandler is one of the most offensive wrestlers we have, the guy is non-stop attack, and even he got called once...

[Louden]

16 Stalling Calls, 1 Double Stalling call in the Varsity Dual.

Take that and consider:

2 forfeits

4 first period pins (No stalling calls-of course, not enough time to call them)

2 second period pins (One of those 2nd period pins had 3 stalling calls)

That leaves 6 matches.

So in 6 matches there were 13 stalling calls including a double stall call.

One of those decisions as 12-5 with a stalling call in the first period, on the person who scored 12...

Another stalling call was on a match that ended 16-6, on the person who scored 16...

So with 4 matches left that went by decision that actually were 11 stalling calls. That's almost 3 stalls a match... I wonder, does someone who does this ever even consider that they abuse this call? Does the thought, "Man, maybe I am a bit excessive..." ever enter the head? I know if it was me I would.

[howellfan]

How does he get away with calling so many stalling calls, even when someone scores 12 points in the first period?

[Louden]

How does he get away with calling so many stalling calls, even when someone scores 12 points in the first period?

The 12 points were scored over the entire match, not the first period. The stalling was called in the first period against one of Northwests most aggressive wrestlers. Obviously if you are scoring 12 points against a tough kid like Banderet, then it's highly unlikely that you are trying to stall a match... But Rallo will find a way.

[Lord Adam]

Maybe Rallo was picked on in High School and is getting everyone back. It's what I would do.

[warrtiger]

You mean to tell me all duals aren't called this way??
Actually I'm sure there were a few he thought he let get away :lol:

[Bob Pollock]

[Louden]

I have been to two tournaments this year and saw fewer stall calls than I did at this dual. My all time favorite was the one he pulled on Arnold at state last year. Rallo, I am from Kansas and you can't get even with me so here you go, you need to retire.

While I can't stand the way he refs, I don't think Rallo is the type to take his revenge on kids because of what we say on the internet.

[Thfzn]

Bader,

Charlie Rallo (a former three-time state champion) officiated at Lindbergh this past weekend, he called our match with Lindbergh and did a great job, I sured he called stalling but I can't remember any calls that stand out.

By the way are going to Cape? If so introduce yourself, I'll be wearing greeen.

[Louden]

Bader,

Charlie Rallo (a former three-time state champion) officiated at Lindbergh this past weekend, he called our match with Lindbergh and did a great job, I sured he called stalling but I can't remember any calls that stand out.

By the way are going to Cape? If so introduce yourself, I'll be wearing greeen.

I'll be going down Saturday for it.

The Rallo that refed, was he the tall skinny one with grey hair? Isn't that Pee Wee? Was that your ref?

[oldschool]

If you repeatedly fail to hustle back to the center of the mat, it is stalling.............(Arnold)

[oldschool]

Not saying I like his calls, just think it was the right one in that case.

Arnold was taking time outs on the edge and got caught.

[oxman]

The MAIN complaint with refs is consistency....
Nick and Peewee are VERY LIBERAL with stall calls.....
But, they are CONSISTENTLY liberal.....
A good coach can use this to their advantage.....

I personally prefer a more conservative approach to calling stalling.....
I like to teach a lot of tricky leg stuff which requires time....
I wrestled a lot in Illinois where the concept of stalling on TOP is practically non-existent....
The onus is on the bottom man to exert more effort to get away....
More like we in Missouri view the double-overtime period...
When I officiated, I was always very conservative on stalls.....

However, that is my philosophy....
The rules are so vague on stalling that it really becomes an official's philosophy.....
I think that when Peewee and Nick are officiating, in particular, a coach can expect a very liberal philosohy on stalling....
Kind of like an umpire having a very liberal strikezone in baseball, you have 2 options....
(1)Complain and argue....rarely works..
(2) Accept the official's viewpoint and adjust to it

I think it is not a very important issue for me as a coach.....
Inconsistency really irritates me......Incompetence really irritates me....
But, from my point of view, the Rallos are very consistent...
They know the rulebook flawlessly....
And....I have never seen any vengeance against any kid....never...ever...
Just my observations over the last 30 years......
8)

[swormer]

Well said oxman. I don't mean to go on a tangent, but nothing pains me more to be at a wrestling match and hear people boo an official. In some (not many) the referee makes a mistake, but in most it is either a judgement call or a very close call that brings the booing. Hypothetically I think we should make a rule that if you are caught booing a referee you must in turn officiate an entire event before being allowed to watch another. :lol:

[Vanilla Gorilla]

People who constantly complain about the Rallo's are stupid. If you're a wrestler or a coach in MO, you should probably know about them by now. Anyone who doesn't use "Rallo-Shots" during their match shouldn't complain about the stalling calls because you are bringing it on yourselves. You KNOW he's going to call stalling. So why aren't more coaches and wrestlers prepared? Because they spend too much time complaining about it and not enough time using it to their advantage. That is all.

[eagle1]

Ox,

I pretty much agree. When the Rallos are officiating, it is easy to manipulate the stall calls in your favor. If you can teach your kid the "three shot rule" you can get the upper hand pretty quickly. (If a wrestler takes three consecutive shots on a wrestler who effectively defends those shots without giving up a takedown, the defensive wresler will get called for stalling.) As you said, you must be aware of the official and work it to your advantage.

This IS different from incompetence (refs who don't know the rules)

[Louden]

People who constantly complain about the Rallo's are stupid. If you're a wrestler or a coach in MO, you should probably know about them by now. Anyone who doesn't use "Rallo-Shots" during their match shouldn't complain about the stalling calls because you are bringing it on yourselves. You KNOW he's going to call stalling. So why aren't more coaches and wrestlers prepared? Because they spend too much time complaining about it and not enough time using it to their advantage. That is all.

Too bad everyone is not as smart as you VG. I for one strive to do this every day. It's a valiant struggle but a dream I may never achieve.

BTW, I never boo the refs. I know a lot of people do but I would be hard pressed to find a time where I have done this. Usually I am feeling sorry for the ref for catching so much heat. That doesn't mean I don't dislike calls. I already mentioned that I still don't like it when Rallo makes stall calls that favor us either. He did that with the HVY match at the Fox dual, and he did it a couple of years ago at Cape when he helped Matt Moore beat Cain of Lindbergh. I don't just sit here and get angry that teams I favor get hit with stupid stalling calls, I don't like them when they go our way either.

[Louden]

Ox,

I pretty much agree. When the Rallos are officiating, it is easy to manipulate the stall calls in your favor. If you can teach your kid the "three shot rule" you can get the upper hand pretty quickly. (If a wrestler takes three consecutive shots on a wrestler who effectively defends those shots without giving up a takedown, the defensive wresler will get called for stalling.) As you said, you must be aware of the official and work it to your advantage.

This IS different from incompetence (refs who don't know the rules)

The point isn't that you can utilize his calls against your opponant, it's simply retarded that one would have to. You can still make bad calls consistantly and be consistant. That doesn't make you right.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Darth, on this, I agree with you. However, realistically, he will probably never change so wrestlers are "forced" to wrestle Rallo style when he is officiating.

[haleybop]

GUY BE NICE I AM NEW AT THIS, BUT I HAVE TWO BOYS THAT WRESTLE VARSITY FOR FZW AND IF AT 15 AND 18 YEARS OLD THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR STYLE BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN REF TO ME THAT IS WRONG

[MG_Grievous]

GUY BE NICE I AM NEW AT THIS, BUT I HAVE TWO BOYS THAT WRESTLE VARSITY FOR FZW AND IF AT 15 AND 18 YEARS OLD THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR STYLE BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN REF TO ME THAT IS WRONG

:lol:

[eagle1]

Haleybop,

As OX said, because you do not agree with the calls does not make it wrong. A particular referee's interpretation of a rule does not make it wrong, even if the majority disagree with it.

A wrestler does not have to change his style, but in a tightly contested match, he should be aware of certain referees and thier styles as well as the style of the opponent.

PErsonally, I think defensive wrestling can be a great strategy, and I am not a big fan of the stall call, but it is as much a part of many matches as the out of bounds circle, so preparing for it is important.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Ox's analogy used the baseball strike zone so I'll expound upon that. In baseball, The STRIKE ZONE is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the knee cap. In the MLB, rarely would an umpire call a strike below the knee caps even though it is allowable by definition. Also, rarely would they call a strike as high as allowable. However, there is consistency between ALL umpires and the strike zone does not vary much from one ump to another. However, in MO wrestling, there is NOT consistency between referees on stalling calls. There may be consistency for each individual ref but not between refs. This is where I agree with Darth, just because a ref is consistent, if he is consistently bad, that does no make it right or excuse his poor performance. Even if the calls are ALLOWABLE by the rules, it does not necessarily make it good practice - especially if a ref finds that he is making many more stall calls than the average or norm.

See Wrestling Doc's definition of schizophrenia on a different thread. Does this apply to Rallo? :-)

[haleybop]

I agree with you on what you said about preparing for how a certain ref calls a match but if there is 30 seconds left and you are in the 3rd period I don't want my son worrying about Rallo and what he is going to call and don't get me wrong I personally like the Rollo's it's just I hate in any sport when a official dictates a outcome or how it is played

[bigdad4]

I'm new to this site, but really enjoy it. I have watched the Rallo's for many years, and have concluded that there are few people who have dedicated themselves to any one sport than these guys. Ok, maybe everyone doesn't agree with the stalling calls...that's apparent from reading this thread among others...but my two cents is that they love the sport and would do anything they could to bring the great sport of wrestling the recognition it deserves.

And no, I'm not related to them in anyway, nor do I have any interest other than being a big wrestling fan in Missouri.

Teaching is tough, Coaching is tough, Officiating is tough. Everyone has their own perspective and we all see the same matches in many different ways...it really depends on the perspective you bring to the match.

I'm done with the philosophy, but just wanted to put my hat in on this since I have a lot of respect and admiration for the Rallo brothers...and all officials and coaches in this great sport.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Bigdad4, well put. However, even if somebody is totally dedicated to a sport or anything else, it should be his duty to make sure he is performing his best. In this case, if Rallo is making excessive stalling calls in comparison to most other refs, he should analyze his style and method objectively and try to determine if he should make adjustments. He should not be bull-headed and refuse to adjust because he doesn't want to (and I am not saying that this is what is happening because I have not personally ever seen a meet that he has officiated - just that he should be open to a fair assessment of his style of officiating and be willing to adjust if necessary).

By the way, are you related to Ox? You post very similarly to Oxman......which is a good thing. :-)
8)

[Louden]

However, even if somebody is totally dedicated to a sport or anything else, it should be his duty to make sure he is performing his best. In this case, if Rallo is making excessive stalling calls in comparison to most other refs, he should analyze his style and method objectively and try to determine if he should make adjustments. He should not be bull-headed and refuse to adjust because he doesn't want to...

Best point on the thread, period.

[bigdad4]

RP, no I'm not related but I appreciate the reference.

Darth, thanks.

[Louden]

I haven't seen Pee Wee again yet since the Fox Dual, but I went down to Cape this weekend for 12 hours of wrestling and to be honest with you, in 12 hours of wrestling I saw less stalling calls than I saw at the Northwest/Fox dual. That's pretty crazy if you ask me...

[Sherman]

Excellent discussion. As a former coach and current official, I like Ox tend to be much more conservative with the stall call. Many refs in Missouri have been taught that it is an officials job to make sure that wrestling is exciting. I love seeing two aggressive wrestlers going at it, however, it is not the officials responsibility to make wrestling exciting. A defensive match may not be as exciting to watch, but as long as the wrestlers are attempting to improve their position or score, it is not stalling. We have some great refs in MO like the Rallos. I have the utmost respect for their knowledge of the rules and their consistency. However, I think they are trying to dictate a certain level of excitement which is outside of their duties as an official.

[MG_Grievous]

Rallos = God Complex

[MG_Grievous]

How often are the Rallos reffing the state tournament?

Every year?

[Wannabee]

How would you rank the officiating at LS Tourney?
Good
4% [ 1 ]
Bad
44% [ 11 ]
Ugly
52% [ 13 ]

Total Votes : 25

[MG_Grievous]

Link?

[backpoints]

How many Rallos are there that referee??

[RP-in-Nebraska]

And the punchline is.......

None!


(That was a joke, right?)

[MG_Grievous]

How often do the Rallos participate (ref) in the state tournament?

Every year?

[dentdoc08]

I love this annual topic. I like what is being pointed out this year though. Just outwrestle the Rallos. That's what it comes down to.

[backpoints]

How many Rallos attempt to referee?I think there were three or four at LSX?

[professor]

I am brand new to this site, but I have been involved in wrestling my whole life. Wrestled for fifteen years, coaching and officiating for 25 years. The Rallo's promote wrestling during there matches. This type of officiating is required at the national and international level (world championship & olympic games). The Rallo's do not allow wrestlers to steal matches by hanging on to a one point lead. Which I have seen from officials across the state. I am not going to say any names but in K.C. most of the officials do not believe in calling stalling. Making this call is not easy and takes a lot of guts which is the reason most officials don't call it. I know only a handful of officials (5-7) that show professionalism & fiarness. Skip Watkins, all the Rallo's, Larry Smith, Rodney Carr, and a few others that I don't know the names of. All in all having these officials makes wrestling more exciting to watch (no boring matches watching someone steal a one point lead).

The Professor

P.S. If all of you on this web site spent as much time coaching your kids rather than the officials you wont have to worry about the officials. 8)

[fudge tunnel]

I know only a handful of officials (5-7) that show professionalism & fiarness...... Larry Smith.......

now THAT is funny.... :lol:

[RP-in-Nebraska]

The Professor


Professor of what?

[stillman]

My guess is proctologist cause he certainly is getting a close look at 5-7 peoples bottoms :-D

[Louden]

I am brand new to this site, but I have been involved in wrestling my whole life.

Welcome! And congratulations...



Wrestled for fifteen years, coaching and officiating for 25 years. The Rallo's promote wrestling during there matches.

Is your name Rallo?

This type of officiating is required at the national and international level (world championship & olympic games). The Rallo's do not allow wrestlers to steal matches by hanging on to a one point lead.

There are a number of counter arguments to this one.

The first I will mention is that you take a look at the very first discussion on this thread. Pee Wee Rallo was calling stalling on kids that were outscoring their opponants 12-4 and such. This isn't just one point matches, it's an obsession with the stall call.

The second argument that can be made is inconsistancy. I don't know about all of the Rallo's, but I do know that Pee Wee goes crazy overboard with the call, especially in comparison to pretty much everyone else. Shouldn't it be consistant throughout the State?
Did you read on here that I saw twice as many stalling calls in the Northwest/Fox dual that I saw in 12 hours of wrestling down at Cape? Let's not forget that in the Northwest/Fox Dual there a bunch of first period pins. I think I figured it out that there were 11 stalling calls in the 3 close matches that the dual had. In just three matches I saw just as many stalling calls than in 12 hours of watching wrestling at Cape. That right there has to say something.

Then there is another argument that stalling is actually a very smart tactic if used appropriately. A wrestler with a one point lead in the third period should not have to wrestle super aggressively like he would in the first period. Why would he want to take the risk of opening himself up by wrestling as all out as he would in the very beginning? I am not suggesting that backing up is a good plan or only doing defensive things, but it is good and smart wrestling to adjust your style to a more defensive one in the third period if you have a small lead. If you are 80% offensive and 20% defensive in the first period, and then it switches to 60% defensive and 40% offensive, then you are being smart by protecting your lead. To me, what obsessive stalling happy refs basically tell the wrestler, "You can't do that, I want to see you continue to be 80% offensive the entire match" and that is not right. With Pee Wee in there reffing the person winning in the 3rd by a point or so is IMO more likely to lose the match or be forced into OT simply because he is winning. That's very very very wrong.

A fourth argument could be that stalling should be 100% consistant throughout all three periods, not getting a boost in the third.

Which I have seen from officials across the state. I am not going to say any names but in K.C. most of the officials do not believe in calling stalling.

I don't know KC refs so I cannot comment.

Making this call is not easy and takes a lot of guts which is the reason most officials don't call it.

Pee Wee sure makes it look easy. In fact, I'd say he is almost eager.

I know only a handful of officials (5-7) that show professionalism & fiarness. Skip Watkins, all the Rallo's, Larry Smith, Rodney Carr, and a few others that I don't know the names of.

Ref's like Pee Wee do seem to be fair between the two wrestlers and do not show favoritism, that's not the point. The point is that the call is being abused.

Go get a national average of how often a stalling call is made in a match or a dual meet, and then compare that to Pee Wee and other stall obsessive refs. I guarantee it will be way above the norm, and inconsistent with most other refs with this call.

All in all having these officials makes wrestling more exciting to watch (no boring matches watching someone steal a one point lead).

One point matches are some of the most exciting matches out there, what are you talking about?!!! :shock: :?

BTW, it's not the refs job to make a match exciting, that's the wrestlers job. We are not there to watch the ref. In fact, I along with most people prefer to see the ref as little as possible.

If all of you on this web site spent as much time coaching your kids rather than the officials you wont have to worry about the officials.

Professor, that right there shows that you are being way too defensive and are once again missing the point. Pee Wee and refs like him have actually won some of our matches for us. I mentioned Matt Moores match at Cape in 2003 against Lindbergh's Cain in the 130 lbs Semi-Final. Our guy Matt Moore was awarded a stalling call at the end of the third period that gave him a win, and IMO Cain was not stalling. Therefore a lot of us are also benefiting from the obsessive stalling calls. This isn't a complaint by people who feel their wrestler got robbed and are complaining that it was the ref's fault. This is a complaint that the call is being abused and that it is effecting matches inappropriately.

[haleybop]

I admit I don't know a whole lot about high school wrestling being that I played football and basketball in high school but being as that I am getting ready to marry into a family that I will have three sons wrestling high school {FZW] two varsity and one freshman I have seen alot of it in the last two years. I think this is one of the most intense sports out there. I also am not sure who Bader is but his last reply on the stalling call was one of the best statements I have seen on this website in the two years I have been following it. Who is Bader and does he wrestle or coach or does he just follow the sport

[fudge tunnel]

Who is Bader and does he wrestle or coach or does he just follow the sport

None of the above. He just likes to type a lot...... :smt024

[RP-in-Nebraska]

I also am not sure who Bader is but his last reply on the stalling call was one of the best statements I have seen on this website in the two years I have been following it. Who is Bader and does he wrestle or coach or does he just follow the sport

Bader is a young man whose hat size just recently increased tremendously.

He enjoys attending amateur singing contests and exploits those who win them in an attempt to benefit from the prizes offered in them.

He enjoys late nights at bars and ensures that drunk and disorderly conduct does not run amuck on his watch or his heavy fist will prevail.

He is intelligent, no doubt, and welcomes debates into his home like they were his lovely aunt Mildred.

His love for the Northwest wrestling program is borderline obsessive and it would do him well to seek immediate consultation.

His Ultimate Fighting Championship knowledge is surpassed only by the soreness he experiences after a Judo/Jujitsu/Martial Arts bout and by his passion for Thai food (?)

This young man is fun-loving, enjoys late night walks on the beach, and enjoys spending time with his dog Jake.

Yes, this is Darth Bader.

[oxman]

RP---Please write my obituary.....when necessary.... :)


Go get a national average of how often a stalling call is made in a match or a dual meetDarth--One of your best points.
Whether it is calling a LOT of fouls in basketball, calling "holding" in football, or calling stalling in wrestling,
my opinion is that an official should seek to conform to the norm.
Calling more penalties of ANY type......clasping, cautions, unnecessary roughness, etc does not make an official superior.....
It is not a contest. Most coaches or fans are happier when an official calls a "normal" amount of penalties.
8)

[RP-in-Nebraska]

RP---Please write my obituary.....when necessary.... :)



I heard you were immortal!

(Oops, nope, wait a minute - that was immoral.)

[haleybop]

THIS IS A TOUGH CROWD

[Louden]

None of the above. He just likes to type a lot...... :smt024

I thing that was the best statement made in the past 2 years!!! :(

[obiefan]

i really needed a good laugh today. :-D

[Louden]

Bader is a young man whose hat size just recently increased tremendously.

He enjoys attending amateur singing contests and exploits those who win them in an attempt to benefit from the prizes offered in them.

That hits too close to home... :(

He enjoys late nights at bars and ensures that drunk and disorderly conduct does not run amuck on his watch or his heavy fist will prevail.

My knuckle is still healing.... :x

He is intelligent, no doubt, and welcomes debates into his home like they were his lovely aunt Mildred.

I don't have an Aunt Mildred... I don't think? :?

His love for the Northwest wrestling program is borderline obsessive and it would do him well to seek immediate consultation.

My therapist tells me this was well... :oops:

His Ultimate Fighting Championship knowledge is surpassed only by the soreness he experiences after a Judo/Jujitsu/Martial Arts bout and by his passion for Thai food (?)

I don't do Judo, but Thai is good food!

This young man is fun-loving, enjoys late night walks on the beach, and enjoys spending time with his dog Jake.

I don't have a dog, and there isnt a beach that I am aware of within 75 miles...

[haleybop]

I had to ask one of the boys and they said the Bader's are a big wrestling family now I know. You seemed well liked and you guys are hilarious. By the way it seemed ridicoulus for Edwardsville to stand around last night after the match and act like they won state. If Joey, Erik, or Brandon wrestled FZW would have won

[RP-in-Nebraska]

I had to ask one of the boys and they said the Bader's are a big wrestling family now I know you.

Sorry, no donut. I'm sure Darth will elaborate.

[Warren Haynes]

Darth Bader is not one of the Bader's from Vianney. His last name isn't even Bader. Just an homage. A couple of his other aliuses were Louden Swain and Chandlerfan. I dont think he even wrestled more than a couple of years. He is just a dedicated fan to the world's greatest sport.

[redneck]

I'm guessing that the "Professor" is none other than Mr. Tomassi himself. Most people just call him Waldo (behind his back of course, because he does resemble the guy in the Where's Waldo? books) although he does refer to himself as a professor quite often, I am assuming for the purpose of inflating his ego a bit.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he probably is a professor in the art of stall calling and has schooled a Rallo or two during his academic career.

[Louden]

Since you are curious... I came from Hillsboro before they ever had a wrestling team so I was never introduced to the sport until I moved to Northwest in the middle of my Junior year. I was talked into giving it a shot my senior year, but I wasn't very good (as it was my first year) but I did get a varsity spot a few times. I never did understand wrestling on the mat back then but was pretty good on my feet. The Coaches always tease me because I would come down to practice after graduating and would always take down the first person I would wrestle, like Jake Dieffenbach, Nick Rives, Justin Cranmer, etc before my out of shape butt got tired and then they whooped up on me. They joke around and tell me that I could take down anyone for the first takedown but then was a warm up dummy after I got tired. I think I am a lot better on the mat now after being around the sport and learning what it is about, but I am still very out of shape. Trying to get back into shape now... how do these kids do it...

[eagle1]

I know only a handful of officials (5-7) that show professionalism & fiarness. Skip Watkins, all the Rallo's, Larry Smith, Rodney Carr, and a few others that I don't know the names of. All in all having these officials makes wrestling more exciting to watch (no boring matches watching someone steal a one point lead).
8)



Rodney Carr?????????
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MG_Grievous]

P.S. If all of you on this web site spent as much time coaching your kids rather than the officials you wont have to worry about the officials. 8)

What a weakass flame. Not everybody on here has kids. The website doesn't say MissouriWrestlingParents.com, now does it? Like RP asked, professor of what? If you're going to do the whole "I'm the professor, so listen to me" gimmick, at least act educated and use proper grammar (find it on your own time). Yeah, I went there. I normally don't point out spelling/grammar mistakes, but if you're going to select a username such as that, then you should act accordingly.

Welcome to the boards.

:smt075

[MG_Grievous]

RP---Please write my obituary.....when necessary.... :)


RP sure does a good job at that:

MG is a skilled master of BS.

MG likes fat dancing men.

MG prefers pasties to total nudity so that some level of modesty can be maintained.

MG idolizes men who dress up as pink flamingos.

MG has sphincter achalasia (he's a tight-arse).

MG enjoys flatulence.

MG likes beer.

Considering all of the wonderful thing that I just mentioned about MG, how can you not like him.

Here's to you, MG!

:partyman:
:drinkers:

[billy madison]

I know this is an old cliche', but if you guys are such experts on officiating, put on the whistle and the stripes and try it out yourself. All you have to do is sign up with MSHSAA, take an open book test, possibly join a local association and BAM! you are a certified official. That is all there is to it. According to you guys it must not be that hard and new expert officials are always needed. If you feel the problem is that bad, and you REALLY want to help the sport, quit complaining and be part of the "solution". Go to http://www.mshsaa.org for more information on becoming an official.

[MG_Grievous]

I know this is an old cliche', but if you guys are such experts on officiating, put on the whistle and the stripes and try it out yourself. All you have to do is sign up with MSHSAA, take an open book test, possibly join a local association and BAM! you are a certified official. That is all there is to it. According to you guys it must not be that hard and new expert officials are always needed. If you feel the problem is that bad, and you REALLY want to help the sport, quit complaining and be part of the "solution". Go to http://www.mshsaa.org for more information on becoming an official.


Who's saying that none of us aren't?

You just b!tched throughout that whole paragraph about people complaining about the ref. You're quite the hypocrite.

You remind me of a woman, little Billy. Now run along and play.

[Louden]

I know this is an old cliche', but if you guys are such experts on officiating, put on the whistle and the stripes and try it out yourself. All you have to do is sign up with MSHSAA, take an open book test, possibly join a local association and BAM! you are a certified official. That is all there is to it. According to you guys it must not be that hard and new expert officials are always needed. If you feel the problem is that bad, and you REALLY want to help the sport, quit complaining and be part of the "solution". Go to http://www.mshsaa.org for more information on becoming an official.

This is a very weak argument. It's an ad hominem fallacy that maybe professor could get further into since he's so intelligent, but basically you are attacking the people rather than the argument-which shows the weakness of your point.

We don't have to be referee's to be able to see the inconsistancy going on here. It's perfectly clear to anyone who watches that some refs call twice or even three times as many stalling calls as others. That is a clear problem IMO and it is also a problem if a ref refuses to adjust simply because he doesn't want to. This isn't about them, it's about the kids and the sport of wrestling.

[MG_Grievous]

This isn't about them, it's about the kids and the sport of wrestling.


=D>



http://missouriwrestling.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4676

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Dammit, Billy! I'm going to sick my penguin on you!

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

[wrestlingreporter]

I know only a handful of officials (5-7) that show professionalism & fiarness. Skip Watkins, all the Rallo's, Larry Smith, Rodney Carr, and a few others that I don't know the names of. All in all having these officials makes wrestling more exciting to watch (no boring matches watching someone steal a one point lead).
8)



Rodney Carr?????????
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:)

[hank]

Louden sound like the "No Spin Zone. By the way Lounden, I wonder if we start crying like little babys (the way purler does) we can get some thing like that changed.

[Louden]

I think the best way to get things done would be to make a strong case.

[Bubba 58]

Wrestling is about the athletes that are working their butts off on the mat not the refs, nobody came the see the referees!! as a wreslter i feel that the match should be decided by the wrestlers and not the refs.. a ref unoticed is a great ref.!

[Louden]

I had the honor of watching Pee Wee Rallo ref another dual tonight. My thoughts? Well... improvement. Was I satisfied? Hell no. I believe there were 8-10 stalling calls this dual. It wasn't too bad until the final match of the night when Pee Wee decided to make 5 stalling calls in one match. The first period there were no stalling calls but he really laid it on thick after that. Mostly during the riding phase. Once again the burden of mat wrestling is placed on the top guy and not the bottom guy... where shouldn't it be the bottom guy who was supposed to make the escape? It was 3 stalling calls against Oakville and 2 against Northwest. Yeesh. YOu would think with 5 stalling calls we weren't even watching a wrestling match, but instead to lovers frollicking across the mat. Sickening. The kids wrestled and thank God the right wrestler won (even if it wasn't my guy) because nothing is worse then watching a guy control a match and lose it because the ref got stall happy.

Rallo gets one gold star for not calling stalling 17 times for this dual, but 8-10 is still far too much for me. I thought the wrestling was pretty exciting and packed full of action yet there were still more stalling calls than I usually see in an all day tourney. Keep working on controlling that fist Pee Wee. You're headed in the right direction but not quite there. I believe the average stall calls from the 15 duals I have seen this year is about 3 or 4 a meet. You're still far above the norm...

[MG_Grievous]

It wasn't too bad until the final match of the night when Pee Wee decided to make 5 stalling calls in one match.

I guess he likes going out with a bang.

[Louden]

It wasn't too bad until the final match of the night when Pee Wee decided to make 5 stalling calls in one match.

I guess he likes going out with a bang.

:lol:

[Denmom]

The first period there were no stalling calls but he really laid it on thick after that

Aren't most stalling calls in the 2nd and 3rd period because the wrestlers are tired or they are winning and stall out to try for the win? Come on Darth, did your guy lose. I really think you need to take on the REF job. Have I always agreed with them? Absolutely not. Have I said things in the heat of a match. YES. But over all I have alot of respect for anyone that goes out there and tries to do their best refereeing some of these heated matches. I am sure ten people could watch one of those matches and come up with many different senarios as you have seen from reading COC. So give the refs a break.

[Louden]

The first period there were no stalling calls but he really laid it on thick after that

Aren't most stalling calls in the 2nd and 3rd period because the wrestlers are tired or they are winning and stall out to try for the win? Come on Darth, did your guy lose. I really think you need to take on the REF job. Have I always agreed with them? Absolutely not. Have I said things in the heat of a match. YES. But over all I have alot of respect for anyone that goes out there and tries to do their best refereeing some of these heated matches. I am sure ten people could watch one of those matches and come up with many different senarios as you have seen from reading COC. So give the refs a break.

Hey Denmom, next time we meet, give me your prescription so I can buy you glasses. Or maybe some lessons in reading comprehension. Or maybe I can help you with your attention span. It must be one of those things because you couldn't have got what I clearly said any more wrong. I think I made myself pretty clear when I said:

The kids wrestled and thank God the right wrestler won (even if it wasn't my guy) because nothing is worse then watching a guy control a match and lose it because the ref got stall happy.

Rallo called stalling more times on the Oakville guy, not the Northwest guy. If I was so blatantly biased as you seem to be ASSuming, then why would I complain about the 2 free points our wrestler got? Why would I be glad that the right wrestler won that match (Foley)? I don't like stalling period. I have never been on here complaining about a Northwest guy losing by a stalling call. I have far more often complained about stalling calls that went FOR us rather than against us.

I'm not going to say any more on the matter to you until you can catch up to what this topic is really about and not jumping to conclusions that are completely off the mark.

[Denmom]

Since the thread was started by YOU and the reason for it was to bash RALLO, then I could say something on his defense. Since most of your comments are to bash him. I do not really even know him, especially personally and he can tell you he doesn't know me. I just thought since you seem to see it so much better, you should just step up and offer your services.

OK, so I get that the paragraph regarding Foley with the 5 stalling calls wasn't your guy. (I didn't notice that up front since I don't really know Foley or any of Northwest guys personally) My Mistake! But it was the entire post and others that I relate to. So I am only saying that if you are seeing things so differently, step up to the plate. You have no handicaps to keep you from it. And you have lots of time on your hand.

As I hate to see a thread started bashing a wrestler, I also hate to see a thread bashing a ref. And I am sure that the coaches will step in and argue the point is they feel the need. That is why the wrestler has a coach.

So DArth, I am only saying that maybe you should get into refereeing because you seem to have the eye for all that is going on in the mat. Who knows, maybe someone would start a thread on how you are the best ref around. (but probably not)

[Louden]

Since the thread was started by YOU and the reason for it was to bash RALLO, then I could say something on his defense. Since most of your comments are to bash him. I do not really even know him, especially personally and he can tell you he doesn't know me. I just thought since you seem to see it so much better, you should just step up and offer your services.

OK, so I get that the paragraph regarding Foley with the 5 stalling calls wasn't your guy. (I didn't notice that up front since I don't really know Foley or any of Northwest guys personally) My Mistake! But it was the entire post and others that I relate to. So I am only saying that if you are seeing things so differently, step up to the plate. You have no handicaps to keep you from it. And you have lots of time on your hand.

As I hate to see a thread started bashing a wrestler, I also hate to see a thread bashing a ref. And I am sure that the coaches will step in and argue the point is they feel the need. That is why the wrestler has a coach.

So DArth, I am only saying that maybe you should get into refereeing because you seem to have the eye for all that is going on in the mat. Who knows, maybe someone would start a thread on how you are the best ref around. (but probably not)

I am not bashing a person, I am bashing an action by a person. Telling me to step up to the plate and referee is completely dodging the entire point. So what if I step up and ref? So what if I call stalling with the norm of most ref's out there... does this somehow change the fact that a few refs are far outside the norm? I don't think so. Already most refs don't abuse the stalling call like some others, but that don't seem to phase them at all, so adding me to the mix doesn't seem like it would change a thing would it? Instead, how about we lobby and petition to help get these guys to come closer to the norm instead of being so far out there?

Are you going to defend 17 stalling calls in one dual meet? How about considering that dual meet had SEVEN FIRST PERIOD PINS? 17 stalling calls in 7 matches? I think that's pretty far above and beyond the norm. In fact, that is a gross understatement. In those seven matches I saw more stalling calls then I saw in both the Granite City Tournament and the Cape Central Tiger Classic combined. That is unreal and you can't sit here and tell me that something is not right here. So instead of attacking me or jumping to conclusions about my intentions, focus on the real issue here, and that issue is that some refs are calling stalling two, three, and even four times as much as most other refs. THAT IS AN ISSUE.

I know refs have a thankless job for the most part, and the do what they do for the love of the sport, and most fans will always appreciate that. But no ref should be above the sport, and no ref should be too egotistical to acknowledge they make a certain call far more than the others and refuse to change.

[Louden]

At Northwest versus Kirkwood there was I believe 1 or 2 stalling calls for the entire dual-and there were 2 matches that went to OT. Tell me again that there isn't an inconsistancy problem?

[usavsaau]

I am going to start building boats. Denmom please buy one. When it sinks I will defend myself by saying "Why don't you build boats yourself."

When you hire a professional you expect certain outcomes. In the case of a referee you expect a well called, fair and commonly called match. If that is not delivered then everyone sees your boat sink, not just the boat builders.

Either Rallo calls stalling too much or the rest of the refs don't call it enough, but there should be a little continuity from them all.

[obnoxio]

I am going to start building boats. Denmom please buy one. When it sinks I will defend myself by saying "Why don't you build boats yourself."

The best response I've seen on this topic, ever!

I will say that all the matches I've seen this year the refs have done a wonderful job.

Great job guys and gals. Wait a minute,,,Is there more than one lady zebra working high school matches?

[Denmom]

usavsaau, comparing a life threatening thing as a boat sinking to a bad ref call or a ref call someone thinks is bad, well I can't seem to find the similarites to make it a good analogy. Lets see, subjecting someone's life to death compared to trying to make a match more aggresive. OK, maybe I missed the point.

We have several refs. Everyone of them may see things differently within the guidelines. Some may be big on calling close calls on one issue rather than on others. Who is wrong. NOne as long as they are within the guidelines of the rules. But If you don't like ONE of them, you shouldn't HIRE them to work at your tournament/dual or whatever. Seems alot of people must like Rallo because he seems to continually but working a dual or tournament. So if he is being called and used alot, yes, maybe you should let your wrestlers know that stalling will be called. (because obviously he isn't bias to who he calls them on) If those stalls called are being made to excessive and everyone is taping them and beleiveing that this is true, maybe copies of those films should be sent to MSHAA and let them deal with it. And maybe bashing one ref on this forum makes other refs not call stalling as much. I say, they are trained to do the job, let them do it. If they don't do it within the guidelines than, we are the show-me state, show it to the people that can make changes. Doing it on this forum isn't going to change his calls.

[No1]

Every year we all talk about how bad Rollo is. I think he likes us talking about him. Let's not give him the satisfaction, I know we can find alot more interesting topics than this guy!!! Maybe he will go away! Tomorrow is the 1st of February......The greatest month of all....STATE WRESTLING TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!

[legrider]

Den Mom you stated that Darth doesn't have any handicaps :shock: and to step up to the plate. Well some would have to disagree with you on that one. :lol: :lol: :lol: Some handicaps are just a little more visible than others. :smt006

[Louden]

Den Mom you stated that Darth doesn't have any handicaps :shock: and to step up to the plate. Well some would have to disagree with you on that one. :lol: :lol: :lol: Some handicaps are just a little more visible than others. :smt006

:evil:

[legrider]

Hey Louden, I was talking about Darth, not you. OOOPS! :-D

Multiple personalities and all. 8)

[PinEm]

It might help to identify the Rallo you're talking about when referring to calls in future postings.

Some helpful identification:
Nick Senior (the dad Rallo)
Nick Junior (his son)
PeeWee (the brother of Nick Senior -- real name is Ludwig -- any wonder he goes by Pee Wee? Or is that actually better?) :?
Charley (Nick Senior's son)

by using those Nick Names (no pun intended), you can clearly identify the offending official.

Other identification/clarifications:
A One-Stall Call (a match/dual reffed by only one Rallo)
A Dual Duel (two Rallos at the match/tournament)
A Tri-Stall (three Rallos in the same room)
A Rallo-Rama (all four are reffing at the same meet/match/tournament)

I believe these guidlines will aid some of us to muddle through and understand future postings. :wink:

[Denmom]

zero stall calls tonight with Nick Jr. hummmmm Guess tonight everyone decided to just wrestle. :wink:

[MG_Grievous]

zero stall calls tonight with Nick Jr. hummmmm Guess tonight everyone decided to just wrestle. :wink:


Did you count?

[Denmom]

I most certainly did and I can easily count to 0.

[usavsaau]

Denmom,
The lake is only 3 ft deep. STAND UP!!!!!

[usavsaau]

By the way, as far as being trained (and on the subject of boats). The engineer that designed the Titanic was trained and the lake wasn't 3 ft deep. Knowing rules and being trained does not mean good judgement is exercised. I will say that the reffing this year has been very good. I do still think that the wrestlers (the ones everyone is there to see) should expect some continuity from match to match. In baseball they call it a strike zone, if it hits the dirt before the plate they call it a Rallo.

[Louden]

zero stall calls tonight with Nick Jr. hummmmm Guess tonight everyone decided to just wrestle. :wink:

Yeah... that's it. :roll:

Apparantly Denmom is trying to make some sort of point that the Rallo's do not call stalling far more excessive than other ref's. In this point, you are going to be alone. Very alone.

I do hope this is a good sign. I am not familiar with Nick Jr. so I cannot comment on him, but regardless, I hope this is a good sign.

[billy madison]

Swine- so you are saying that the refs should be evaluated on their interpretation of stalling? By their NUMBER of stall calls? Since you are the expert, please tell the world your description of a good official.

[Louden]

Swine- so you are saying that the refs should be evaluated on their interpretation of stalling? By their NUMBER of stall calls? Since you are the expert, please tell the world your description of a good official.

Is that what I said? Thanks for the interpretation Madison.

Actually, I thought it was pretty clear what I have been saying.

The refs across the state are pretty inconsistance with each other. Some call stalling a lot, some don't. Then look to nationwide, the refs more resemble those in Missouri who DO NOT call it excessively.

Also, 17 stalling calls in one dual that has 7 pins is as outrageous as you can get.

Do you care to challenge those points or will you and Denmom continue to make up my arguement for me and then dispute what you just created?

[legrider]

Unique stalling calling call:

Waiting for one of the Rallo's to call a stalling call on a wreslter who is being pinned! [-X

Never say Never! You just never know! :shock:

[billy madison]

Swine, you are avoiding the question with your justifications and rationalizations. What makes a good official?

[RandyReversal]

DJ Swine. You are WRONG, which comes as no surprise to those of us that have listened to your crap over the years. The Rallos DO NOT call stalling more than anyone else. To group them all together and say they do this or that is STUPID. Does that make YOU stupid? Not necessarily. I'm not sure what it is that makes you stupid. Two of them are about average when it comes to stalling calls. One is not average in anything in life. One is vindictive and you can expect reprisal at any chance he gets. Grouping anybody and branding them all the same way is not a tactic used by intelligent men. There are cases though. Like you CAN say that Louden, Darth Bader, Chandlerfan, Michael Copeland, and Louden Swain are all stupid.

[Louden]

DJ Swine. You are WRONG, which comes as no surprise to those of us that have listened to your crap over the years. The Rallos DO NOT call stalling more than anyone else. To group them all together and say they do this or that is STUPID. Does that make YOU stupid? Not necessarily. I'm not sure what it is that makes you stupid. Two of them are about average when it comes to stalling calls. One is not average in anything in life. One is vindictive and you can expect reprisal at any chance he gets. Grouping anybody and branding them all the same way is not a tactic used by intelligent men. There are cases though. Like you CAN say that Louden, Darth Bader, Chandlerfan, Michael Copeland, and Louden Swain are all stupid.

I said I do not know about Nick Jr, so I wasn't grouping him. I have been talking about all refs who call stalling far more than the others and listed three such ref's that were at the Jefferson City Tournament. I have singled Pee Wee out because from what I have seen there is no one who calls it more.

Take last night against Mehlville for example. There were 3 or 4 stalling calls for the entire meet. When Pee Wee ref'd the Fox Dual there were 17 stalling calls. Are you telling me this is a fluke? That during that particular dual no wrestler wanted to wrestle? Or how about we simply agree that some ref's call it 3 or 4 times as much as others.
The next dual I saw Pee Wee at there were 8 or so calls, and even though this was much less than 17, it was still double the amount that I think is the average.

RandyRetarded, you go to the Granite City Tournament, so you must know that there is a huge difference between the way stalling is called there and the way certain other Missouri refs call it. During the 2-Day GC event I counted far less stalling calls than that one dual meet. Or how about your home field of Hazelwood Central? The stalling there was uncommon, and it was very nice to be able to see wrestlers wrestle out their match without points being thrown back an forth with a refs fist in the air.

There is not consistancy from one ref to the next. This is not something I just came up with, this has been around for a long time and I am not the first, nor the last to be displeased with the abuse of this call.

But which way should stalling be used? You have Ref A averaging around 4 calls a dual, and Ref B averaging 10. That's a huge difference. What about refs in the other states? We've heard that arguement many times, how Missouri uses stalling far above and beyond other neighboring states. In fact, there have been quite a few confrontations with Coaches from out of State Teams who are completely flabbergasted when they run into the stalling eager referee. You must have been to the Oakville Duals a few times. These are some of the top teams in the nation and they've thrown many-a-fit when they come across this type of stalling abuse.

I'll tell you what though. If it satisfies everyone, make all refs call 10 stalling calls a dual meet. Make it a goal. Maybe we can finally have some consistency throughout our state. We will still be gawked at by out of state teams when they are subjected to this, but at least we will be used to it.

[Denmom]

Darth, in baseball all the umpires have their own strike zones. If the Rallo consistantly calls stalling then everyone he reffed is treated fair. But you did start this thread saying "Rallo" not "some MO refs".

I have learned my lesson. I will not argue with you regarding Rallo's and Religions. I am sure other issues will also come up. But I WILL give my opinions on the issue. (there is a difference between giving an opinion and argueing)

[MG_Grievous]

I will not argue with you regarding Rallo's and Religions.

I call BS. I know you too well.

[RandyReversal]

You said you are not grouping Nick Jr. Does that mean you are grouping the other three?

[Louden]

I don't know who the other Rallo's are. If you asked me specifically about them, the only thing I could really tell you is that I heard they are bad with stalling as well. So if I did group them together then I was wrong in doing so ONLY because I haven't seen it for myself-or if I did, I didn't know it was a Rallo.

Pee Wee is the one I do know of, and I think he is a very good ref in all area's except stalling. I've said that before. I can't recall a time where I was scoffing at a questionable takedown call, or a questionable stalemate or any such thing with him, but the stalling is simply out of control here. Denmom, I never said that Pee Wee isn't consistant nor that he isn't fair. I don't think he favors one wrestler over another with his stalling calls, and have already mentioned that I can think of quite a few times where his excessive stalling has benefited a wrestler I was rooting for. I mentioned the Matt Moore match against Erik Cain. Moore won that match due to stalling calls against Cain, and in winning that match it propelled Moore into the finals of the Tiger Classic and helped Northwest win that tourney that year. I am not bringing up a topic about Pee Wee Rallo because I feel he screwed over one of the Northwest boys. Contrary, I can think of more times where his calls benefited us, rather than hurt us. That doesn't mean crud to me though because I would rather see the right wrestler win, not get a gift to even the score so they get another chance in OT, or win the match in the last few seconds. I would rather see a wrestler scoring the points to win a match, not a wrestler getting a free point from the ref in a situation where 9 out of 10 refs would never have awarded the point.

I would rather see more stalemates and such, especially while on the mat. If it is beyond doubt that a wrestler is stalling, call it. If a wrestler is fleeing the mat, then call it. But if a wrestler is up 3-2 with 30 seconds left, it is almost assuredly going into OT no matter what with a stall happy ref. I know tons of people agree with me on this because not only have many voiced their opinions here, but also in PMs to me, and coming up to me at tournaments and telling me that I need to keep the heat on this topic-not that I actually think I am doing anything other than venting. I wish more people would voice their concerns personally rather than sit at home and agree with me while reading this. I think that would be the best way to help get some consistency across the state of missouri, much less bring us up to par with the rest of the nation.

And Denmom, if I feel strongly about something, I am not going to change my mind unless a good enough point is made to change it. Just because you haven't been able to produce such a point doesn't mean that I am too stubborn to change my stance. Look at it the other way around. Have you changed your stance at all either? Touche.

[RandyReversal]

Since you don't know who they are, you should NEVER say the Rallos again. Specify which one you are talking about and do not rely on other people's opinions. By reading your previous posts, anyone would think they are all bad. And that is not true. Besides, everyone knows that the king of stalls is Larry Smith. He set the bar so high with a double stall call in a 28-26 heavyweight match at state that the others are just trying to catch up. And they can't.

[Louden]

Since you don't know who they are, you should NEVER say the Rallos again.

Point taken.

[RandyReversal]

How sweet. Life is good. Reversal-141 Swinedog-0.

[Super Gay AL]

You two need to get a room :smt052 :smt053 :smt050 :smt049 :smt054 :smt055 :smt056 :smt057 :smt058 :smt060 :smt113 :smt118 :smt056 :smt058 :bear: :bear: :bear: :bear:

[Louden]

How sweet. Life is good. Reversal-141 Swinedog-0.

Now you're taking it a bit far... :lol:

[Grampsiek]

Is being "Ralloed" like being "Borked" for the supreme court?

[Denmom]

maybe you should all have a filabuster! :(

[wardy]

It like getting Munsoned - Kingpin

There's somthing about good zex that makes me take a crap

[MG_Grievous]

It like getting Munsoned - Kingpin

Nice reference. :smt023

[MG_Grievous]

There's somthing about good zex that makes me take a crap

Is that off a movie or just your personal preference?

[bigdad4]

It totally cracks me up that this thread has a life of it's own...especially by people who have never even seen the Rallo's ref.

[MG_Grievous]

It totally cracks me up that this thread has a life of it's own...especially by people who have never even seen the Rallo's ref.


:-s

Ok, roll call.

I've seen them "in action," who else?

[bigdad4]

I've seen all 4 of them in action. I've seen Nick Sr. officiate over 25 years.

[MG_Grievous]

I've seen all 4 of them in action. I've seen Nick Sr. officiate over 25 years.


If you had a nickel for every stalling call you saw from them, you could buy Canada.

[eagle1]

I've seen all 4 of them in action. I've seen Nick Sr. officiate over 25 years.


If you had a nickel for every stalling call you saw from them, you could buy Canada.

. . . . and Mexico

[Louden]

It totally cracks me up that this thread has a life of it's own...especially by people who have never even seen the Rallo's ref.

Obviously I've witnessed Pee Wee since I counted all of his stalling calls.

[legrider]

Eagle1 Mexico is not for sale. We have a town of about 11,000 population. Surely there are other ways of becoming a BULLDOG! Anyway with all those nickles he could probably buy KC or St. Louis or both! :lol: :lol: :lol:

And by the way I have seen all. Still can't get the Stalling call against Monteith at the SCW tournament out of my mind. Have it on tape and watch it from time to time. :rolleyes: :-k

[eagle1]

maybe Cuba?

[Grampsiek]

I did go to the Fox/Northwest dual and see Rallo's stalling calls there which in fact started this thread....do you think we should stop at 10 pages?

[wrestlefan19]

been reffed by Pee Wee, Jr, and I think Sr...not sure on the 3rd
Pee Wee called me for stalling :shock: and i think maybe "fleeing the mat"
JR seemed like a decent ref
SR robbed us out of a team trophy last yr or the yr before that

[Louden]

I did go to the Fox/Northwest dual and see Rallo's stalling calls there which in fact started this thread....do you think we should stop at 10 pages?

Probably.

[billy madison]

Swine, for the third time, what makes a good ref? Is stalling your main criteiria for what makes a good ref? You have danced around this question for days. PLEASE give us your description of a good ref (or YOU will be warned for stalling- avoiding, fleeing, and blocking the question)!

[Louden]

Swine, for the third time, what makes a good ref? Is stalling your main criteiria for what makes a good ref? You have danced around this question for days. PLEASE give us your description of a good ref (or YOU will be warned for stalling- avoiding, fleeing, and blocking the question)!

Billy, I don't feel I need to answer any of your questions since you've been dodging mine. You can't expect me to take part in a little debate with you if you are going to dodge all I have said this entire time and then expect me to listen to you. It's not how it works buddy. Plus, the answer to your question can be found throughout this entire thread. Further proof that you have no intention of listening.

I'll be at the Missouriwrestling.com Happy Hour, and if by then you still haven't attempted to answer my questions, and consider my points then you can ask me your question a final time in person. I don't even know who you are.

[Bob Pollock]

[wrestlefan19]

went to the Howell Central tournament today and I noticed 2 (maybe 3?) rallos reffin
I did not notice as many stalling calls as usual but what really struck me was the inconsistency...not even from one ref to another I mean a single ref calling stalling a bunch for one round and then not once the next round
I can think of one example when pee wee called stalling on one wrestler who was working in a tight match near the end (he had a slim lead...had to make it interesting!) and then in another match when the wrestler was leading by 4 or 5 and clearly stalling...even being yelled at by his coach to not do anything, and the ref did not call stalling on him...2 very similar situations 2 completely different reactions by the same ref

[billy madison]

OK Swine, I have read through all your comments regarding officials. I saw you mentioned the official calling fleeing the mat, stalemates, takedowns, and stalemates once or twice each. However, you mentioned stalling on over 50 occasions. I still have no idea what your interpretation is of a GOOD official. Please tell me there are other important criteria you use when evaluating an official as good or bad. This is your warning for stalling on answering the question on what makes a good official. Or should you be called for fleeing the question?

[wrestlefan19]

This is your warning for stalling on answering the question on what makes a good official. Or should you be called for fleeing the question?

...only if we can call you for flagrant cheesiness

[Scrap Iron]

WF.
Pee Wee wasn't even at FHC
Nick Sr. Okay
Charlie Okay
Bryce okay
Rodney okay
Strande didn't see him all day, that is a good thing in that he was invisible
Nick Jr. no comment

there were actually several one and two point matches on the the day. Lots of riding, lots of excitement, wrestlers keeping the refs out of matches, lots of upsets and lots of great exciting finals and thirds

I think there is a law somewhere about all four Rallos at one tourney, something about exponential stalling not being good for the sport :P

[wrestlefan19]

which one is the tall gray haired ref?
he was working the center mat

[Louden]

OK Swine, I have read through all your comments regarding officials. I saw you mentioned the official calling fleeing the mat, stalemates, takedowns, and stalemates once or twice each. However, you mentioned stalling on over 50 occasions. I still have no idea what your interpretation is of a GOOD official. Please tell me there are other important criteria you use when evaluating an official as good or bad. This is your warning for stalling on answering the question on what makes a good official. Or should you be called for fleeing the question?

You read it but you still don't get it. I have not said that Pee Wee is a terrible ref. Quite to the contrary I have said numerous occassions that he is better than most in nearly every aspect-EXCEPT STALLING. In that regard he is FAR BEYOND THE NORM. So by asking me what makes a good official you are completely missing the whole point because the only problem I have with him and a few others as officials is that they far exceed the norm with the stalling call. So based upon that, I think they would be better officials if they were consistant with the norm. I have also said already that the norm in a dual is around 4 calls. 17 is over 4x that amount. Then you take into account that 7 of those matches ended in early pins. That's a pretty crazy amount, and that is the one thing I am addressing in this thread. You however, don't seem to understand that, and are going in a completely opposite direction.

[wrestlefan19]

I have seen many meets with 0, 1, or 2 stalling calls (no rallos were reffing just so you know) and those were some of the more exciting meets i have seen...not sure if that even relates but you be the judge

[Denmom]

I'll be at the Missouriwrestling.com Happy Hour, and if by then you still haven't attempted to answer my questions, and consider my points then you can ask me your question a final time in person. I don't even know who you are.

Louden - last time you offered this, it was a fight. Will we be reading about another one after state? Because I will see if I can get one of the Rallo's to ref the match if you would like. Maybe a few stall calls could help you both catch your breath.

HOlt/Timberland dual - not a rallo - three or four stall calls i think. A definite call for fleeing the mat. But overall not much difference to me between that dual and the dual at Timberland the following night with NIck Jr reffin and no stall calls. I have seen three of the Rallo NUMEROUS times over the last ten years.

[Louden]

Louden - last time you offered this, it was a fight. Will we be reading about another one after state? Because I will see if I can get one of the Rallo's to ref the match if you would like. Maybe a few stall calls could help you both catch your breath.

You're jumping to conclusions here, and I have never had a fight over missouriwrestling.com and neither do I plan to. I am 26 years old with a career.

[billy madison]

The special ed department at NW should be so proud. Duh, I understand you are upset with the number of stall calls being inconsistant from official to official. If you are only 26, this debate has raged for at least as long as you have been alive. Men like Merrill McDaniels, Marino Garcia, Buzzy Bergfeld were the center of debate before you were even thought of. Ask some of the older coaches if you do not believe me. I know my question is totally unrelated to stalling, you are the one who can not figure it out. Mr. Louden Swine- what makes a good official? You have been penalized one point for stalling.

[Louden]

What penalty do you get for being a total putz behind a fake name?

[Denmom]

you mean that isn't billy madison????? I am disappointed, no one is who they say they are. Maybe I am really not Chris's mom. Maybe Darth and Louden and Swine aren't the same people. Maybe those refs really aren't the Rallo's. I need a vacation. :wink:

[Louden]

I was thinking about becoming a screenwriter. I've started on my first screenplay and it's based on a true story. Tell me what you think:

The Adventures of Billy Madison, Missouriwrestling.com Troll

SCENE 1: <FADE IN>

It was a cold winter evening and Billy comes home from a long day at work. He is still wearing the faded nametag issued to him by Great Clips hanging from the belt of his size 42 work issued pair of slacks. Despite a long day of clipping hair and designing new styles, Billy walks into his trailor and heads straight towards the computer room, stopping only for a second at the refrigerator to fetch a box of Nutri-grain bars (he’s on a diet) and a 2 liter bottle of Coke.
Billy sits down and logs onto his computer, typing in his secret password, “VulkanDeathLock”. At first, Billy starts to type in the web address to Missouriwrestling.com so he can resume his daily incoherent ranting, but paused for a moment as he pondered that fateful day when High School Wrestling had first entered his life…

It was a cold winter evening, much like today, when Billy was on his way home from the same job, and was wearing the same large pants with a belt holding them up when he passed by the local High School. He had glanced casually out the window towards the School Campus when he noticed a group of teens getting picked up by their parents. Following the students out of the building was a tall skinny man with gray hair, who appeared to be in his 50’s wearing a black and white vertical striped vest. This man caught Billy’s eye with his confident swagger and dreamy blue eyes, and from that moment on, Billy was in love.

BILLY: I must find out who this man is!

Billy turned the steering wheel of his 1997 Neon, his tires screeching in protest at the sudden turn, and the smell of burnt rubber filled the air. Billy sniffed appreciatively at the smell.

BILLY: Wow, I forgot how much that smell excites me!

Billy lost his train of thought as he approached the zebra look-a-like and the anticipation set in. He had read on the dozen internet dating services that it was advisable to approach someone that attracts you within the first few seconds that they caught your eye before the self doubt sets in and you talk yourself out of it. Billy was determined to not let his insecurities deter him from his goal yet again. He stepped out of his Neon, pulled up his belt, and stepped toward the referee…

Billy pondered that fateful night, and how the School Security was called by the Wrestling Referee when he wouldn’t take no for an answer, but he was certain that persistence would pay off. That was why he had come to Missouriwrestling.com, to track down that tall drink of water and convince the man that he would treat him like a prince.
That is what had brought Billy to the website this evening. This character who called himself Louden had dared to challenge the way some of the calls have been made by ref’s, and this was Billy’s big chance to show his zebra striped crush his true quality. Billy smiled and chuckled to himself as he stuffed two Nutri-grain bars into his mouth and chased it down with a mouthful of Coke.
Billy began typing in the web address when the sound of his Instant Messenger echoed across the room. Quickly turning down the volume that he had inadvertently left up when he was watching “Philadelphia” last night (how that movie had touched him!) he squinted his eyes to see who had IM’d him.

BILLY: Oh drat! What does Brutus want now!

Billy exclaimed loudly, with an audible lisp. He clicked on the IM box and Brutus’s message popped on to his screen. The message read;

Oh Billy….
Why doest thou refuse me?
Why doest thou deny me?
I remember when rock was young….
Me and Billytantino had so much fun….
Holding hands and skippin stones…
These are the days that I recall….
Before our love took an awful fall…
Give me a chance,
To rekindle our romance,
And we’ll rebuild strong and tall.

Billy snorted in disgust.

BILLY: He didn’t even use 100% original material! Gosh what a fudge packer! Maybe I should give him a call though… I do feel his pain…

Itching his rear, Billy began writing back…

Dearest Brutus,
I do remember our good times, but I am finding it hard in my heart to forgive you.
I can stand our disagreements about MacGuyver and Captain Kirk,
But I absolutely will not tolerate a man who has a thing for Melissa Etheridge!
Even IF she looks like a man! I felt betrayed, angered, enraged, and jealous… OF
A WOMAN! This I will not tolerate!
But I do feel for you. I too now know what it feels like to be in love with
Someone that I do not have, to feel that anticipation, that longing… but we
Are not to be.
Since you are so determined, perhaps we can work out an arrangement, but with
“no strings attached”. Consider my offer for the night and I’ll call you on the morrow.

Billy wiped a hand across his sweaty forehead before stuffing another two bars down his throat, a skill that has been of great use in the past. Grunting to himself, Billy exited his IM and brought up Missouriwrestling.com. It was time…

TO BE CONTINUED

[The Godfather]

For somebody with a career that prevents them from whoopin some @ss, you sure do have alot of free time on your hands :lol:

And, not to worry Darth, I'll sit in on your "conversation" with the waterboy at the missouriwrestling.com happy hour :wink:

[Louden]

For somebody with a career that prevents them from whoopin some @ss, you sure do have alot of free time on your hands :lol:

And, not to worry Darth, I'll sit in on your "conversation" with the waterboy at the missouriwrestling.com happy hour :wink:

I do have an hour lunch break, and I would say that anyone who has a career wouldn't engage in such stupid activities. How does that make you look? What if you get arrested? It was all good and fine in High School but not int he real world.

[The Godfather]

For somebody with a career that prevents them from whoopin some @ss, you sure do have alot of free time on your hands :lol:

And, not to worry Darth, I'll sit in on your "conversation" with the waterboy at the missouriwrestling.com happy hour :wink:

I do have an hour lunch break, and I would say that anyone who has a career wouldn't engage in such stupid activities. How does that make you look? What if you get arrested? It was all good and fine in High School but not int he real world.

Calm down there Sparky, it was only a joke. I don't go looking for fights by any means and haven't been in one in a while, but I will if I have to.

We'll sit down with our good buddy MJ...errr...waterboy and have a shot contest to see who wins the arguement. I find that drinking always solves everything. :D

[Louden]

Calm down there Sparky, it was only a joke. I don't go looking for fights by any means and haven't been in one in a while, but I will if I have to.

We'll sit down with our good buddy MJ...errr...waterboy and have a shot contest to see who wins the arguement. I find that drinking always solves everything. :D

I'm perfectly calm but if you are treading on thin ice. I'm about to add a second scene to my screenplay with you in it! :twisted:

Billy Madison=MJ? Well it would be MJ's style to stir up the pot, but Billy boy is a much better speller, so unless MJ invested in a spellchecker, I don't think that it is him.

[obiefan]

man i needed a good laugh today. and it sure was fufilled after reading the last two pages of this thread. :-D

[MG_Grievous]

I was thinking about becoming a screenwriter. I've started on my first screenplay and it's based on a true story. Tell me what you think:

The Adventures of Billy Madison, Missouriwrestling.com Troll

SCENE 1: <FADE IN>

It was a cold winter evening and Billy comes home from a long day at work. He is still wearing the faded nametag issued to him by Great Clips hanging from the belt of his size 42 work issued pair of slacks. Despite a long day of clipping hair and designing new styles, Billy walks into his trailor and heads straight towards the computer room, stopping only for a second at the refrigerator to fetch a box of Nutri-grain bars (he’s on a diet) and a 2 liter bottle of Coke.
Billy sits down and logs onto his computer, typing in his secret password, “VulkanDeathLock”. At first, Billy starts to type in the web address to Missouriwrestling.com so he can resume his daily incoherent ranting, but paused for a moment as he pondered that fateful day when High School Wrestling had first entered his life…

It was a cold winter evening, much like today, when Billy was on his way home from the same job, and was wearing the same large pants with a belt holding them up when he passed by the local High School. He had glanced casually out the window towards the School Campus when he noticed a group of teens getting picked up by their parents. Following the students out of the building was a tall skinny man with gray hair, who appeared to be in his 50’s wearing a black and white vertical striped vest. This man caught Billy’s eye with his confident swagger and dreamy blue eyes, and from that moment on, Billy was in love.

BILLY: I must find out who this man is!

Billy turned the steering wheel of his 1997 Neon, his tires screeching in protest at the sudden turn, and the smell of burnt rubber filled the air. Billy sniffed appreciatively at the smell.

BILLY: Wow, I forgot how much that smell excites me!

Billy lost his train of thought as he approached the zebra look-a-like and the anticipation set in. He had read on the dozen internet dating services that it was advisable to approach someone that attracts you within the first few seconds that they caught your eye before the self doubt sets in and you talk yourself out of it. Billy was determined to not let his insecurities deter him from his goal yet again. He stepped out of his Neon, pulled up his belt, and stepped toward the referee…

Billy pondered that fateful night, and how the School Security was called by the Wrestling Referee when he wouldn’t take no for an answer, but he was certain that persistence would pay off. That was why he had come to Missouriwrestling.com, to track down that tall drink of water and convince the man that he would treat him like a prince.
That is what had brought Billy to the website this evening. This character who called himself Louden had dared to challenge the way some of the calls have been made by ref’s, and this was Billy’s big chance to show his zebra striped crush his true quality. Billy smiled and chuckled to himself as he stuffed two Nutri-grain bars into his mouth and chased it down with a mouthful of Coke.
Billy began typing in the web address when the sound of his Instant Messenger echoed across the room. Quickly turning down the volume that he had inadvertently left up when he was watching “Philadelphia” last night (how that movie had touched him!) he squinted his eyes to see who had IM’d him.

BILLY: Oh drat! What does Brutus want now!

Billy exclaimed loudly, with an audible lisp. He clicked on the IM box and Brutus’s message popped on to his screen. The message read;

Oh Billy….
Why doest thou refuse me?
Why doest thou deny me?
I remember when rock was young….
Me and Billytantino had so much fun….
Holding hands and skippin stones…
These are the days that I recall….
Before our love took an awful fall…
Give me a chance,
To rekindle our romance,
And we’ll rebuild strong and tall.

Billy snorted in disgust.

BILLY: He didn’t even use 100% original material! Gosh what a fudge packer! Maybe I should give him a call though… I do feel his pain…

Itching his rear, Billy began writing back…

Dearest Brutus,
I do remember our good times, but I am finding it hard in my heart to forgive you.
I can stand our disagreements about MacGuyver and Captain Kirk,
But I absolutely will not tolerate a man who has a thing for Melissa Etheridge!
Even IF she looks like a man! I felt betrayed, angered, enraged, and jealous… OF
A WOMAN! This I will not tolerate!
But I do feel for you. I too now know what it feels like to be in love with
Someone that I do not have, to feel that anticipation, that longing… but we
Are not to be.
Since you are so determined, perhaps we can work out an arrangement, but with
“no strings attached”. Consider my offer for the night and I’ll call you on the morrow.

Billy wiped a hand across his sweaty forehead before stuffing another two bars down his throat, a skill that has been of great use in the past. Grunting to himself, Billy exited his IM and brought up Missouriwrestling.com. It was time…

TO BE CONTINUED


:lol:

=D>


That reminds me of the Valentine's Day story you wrote last year.

[eagle1]

Can't wait for scene two.

BTW, for someone who over the years has had the back of the homos of the world, your "play" seems to be dripping with innuendos that point at a negative view of the "other team". :P

[billy madison]

Swine, you forgot to mention my favorite movie is Brokeback Mountain and my favorite actress is Ellen Degeneres. I also have a rainbow tatoo. Are you just a little bit homophobic? Better have your "Gaydar" working at the happy hour.

[obnoxio]

I kind of liked the Valentine's Day story....

[Super Gay AL]

Did I miss out on something?

[obiefan]

You're jumping to conclusions here, and I have never had a fight over missouriwrestling.com and neither do I plan to. I am 26 years old with a career.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

go back to your other career if you spent that much time at work on your ideas you would most likely be in upper management :-D :-D

[MG_Grievous]

I'd like to make a suggestion: throw in some queer beer for scene two, as homage to your Valentine's Day story.

Btw, who was that poster who started the gay brew flames towards Louden?

[The Godfather]

I'm perfectly calm but if you are treading on thin ice. I'm about to add a second scene to my screenplay with you in it! :twisted:

Billy Madison=MJ? Well it would be MJ's style to stir up the pot, but Billy boy is a much better speller, so unless MJ invested in a spellchecker, I don't think that it is him.

Treading on thin ice :lol:

[Louden]

No, I don’t have anything against the “other team”. You may recall from the debates from last year that I support gay marriage and such, which probably wouldn’t be my stance if I was against “the other team”. That doesn’t mean I can’t poke fun though. The worst thing in the world is people who think they should be immune to being made fun of-such as the Islamic Riots right now over the cartoon. Their anger is sick to me, calling for murder and death over a silly drawing made in a free society 2000+ miles away…

Billy, your rainbow tattoo and other such things don’t come into play until later. Don’t get ahead of yourself in the story and quit posting spoilers. Geez! You’re going to ruin my screenplay before it gets released!

SCENE 2: <FADE IN>

Billy is standing in front of the mirror at Great Clips just after closing his store down. It was a good day and the profit was large. His fame as a local hair stylist was growing and perhaps he would one day own his own chain of stores. He would call it, “BILLowy Locks Hair Salon”.
Giving himself a final look in the mirror, Billy walked out of his store locking it behind him. Tonight was a special night. Two local teams were wrestling and his special referee was on duty tonight.

BILLY: I can’t wait to see that man! He just does it for me and I can’t control it!

Billy hastily climbed into his 97 Neon, pushing back the seat as far as it would go in order to fit in, and turned the key. It didn’t start.

BILLY: NOOOO!!

Billy turned the key once more, and then a third time. The car was dead. With a panicked look on his face Billy looked towards the heavens, his arms spread out wide.

BILLY: WHAT HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE THIS! PLEASE GOD WHY!!!

Passerby’s turned and looked in Billy’s direction, a group of teens were laughing , and a lady grabbed her daughters hands and hurried her off in the opposite direction. Purely in panic, Billy began to mutter to himself.

BILLY: What to do, what to do, what to do…

He paced in circles outside his car before looking up suddenly and rushing off down the street. Billy began making a jerking motion back and forth with his right hand at passing cars in attempt to get them to pull over. One vehicle, a pick up truck with a confederate flag on the roof, owned by a crazy woman with 4 teeth leaned out the window and yelled at Billy:

DENMOM: Git outta the road ya stinkin qwer! God hates you!

Billy looked up in shock and realized what motions he was making.

BILLY: Oh drat! Bad habits die hard I suppose…

Billy then stuck his hand out with his thumb in the air, the correct sign to hitchhike. After 20 minutes or so a large green van pulls over with flower decorations all over the side. The door opens and the man inside motions for Billy to climb on in. Billy takes a good hold on the door and hoists his large form into the seat.
The man reached out his hand in greeting and Billy shook it.

DEEPFAT: They call me Deepfat, what’s your name friend?

BILLY: Billy Madison. It’s nice to meet you.

DEEPFAT: You been hitching long?

BILLY: About a half hour. Some crazy hic lady yelled at me.

DEEPFAT: Sorry to hear about that. Some grown ups act like children though and they need to learn tolerance and respect. When that happens we can all get along an live together in peace and harmony.

BILLY: Yeah well, some people deserve it.

Deepfat merges back into the highway.

DEEPFAT: So where are you headed?

Billy gives him the directions to the dual meet and Deepfat drives off.

END SCENE

TO BE CONTINUED…

[eagle1]

Btw, who was that poster who started the gay brew flames towards Louden?

Achilles?

[RandyReversal]

Swinedog. Do you really think Denmark is 2000+ miles away from the Middle East?

[Louden]

Swinedog. Do you really think Denmark is 2000+ miles away from the Middle East?

Yes, from places like Iran and Afghanistan where the protesting was at it's heaviest.

[MG_Grievous]

One vehicle, a pick up truck with a confederate flag on the roof, owned by a crazy woman with 4 teeth leaned out the window and yelled at Billy:


DENMOM: Git outta the road ya stinkin qwer! God hates you!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/mg_grievous/Emoticons/lolspit.gif

[Denmom]

DENMOM: Git outta the road ya stinkin qwer! God hates you!

Darth, I would never say that. That really would only come out of your mouth as it has in your story.

[MG_Grievous]

DENMOM: Git outta the road ya stinkin qwer! God hates you!

Darth, I would never say that. That really would only come out of your mouth as it has in your story.


You forgot:

One vehicle, a pick up truck with a confederate flag on the roof, owned by a crazy woman with 4 teeth leaned out the window and yelled at Billy:

[Denmom]

DEEPFAT: Sorry to hear about that. Some grown ups act like children though and they need to learn tolerance and respect. When that happens we can all get along an live together in peace and harmony


Darth, I hope you learn from Deepfat. :lol:

[MG_Grievous]

Whenever Super Gay Al reads that scene, he's going to be upset.

[Louden]

*Wonders if Denmom is taking the story seriously*

[MG_Grievous]

*Waits impatiently for scene 3*

[wrestlefan19]

I believe the valentines story was directed at Achilles and Wormo or something with a W

[Denmom]

oh, you mean your story is Fiction. Oh I feel better now.

[Louden]

oh, you mean your story is Fiction. Oh I feel better now.

Ooooo, sarcasm. This is getting interesting... :twisted:

Wrestlefan19, it was to wrestlemo or something like that. I wish those threads were still around.

MG, Scene 3 will come in soon. Possibly tomorrow. At work they are getting anal about internet access when not on lunch breaks so when it is slow I write this crud on Word and cut & paste when on break. So sneaky....

[billy madison]

Did you say anal? No pun intended, right? Swine, if you keep making references to "the other team" those boys from the Blue Oyster Bar will come and literally open up a can on you, or just open your can! By the way, should I open a new topic thread and ask "What makes a good official"? Maybe that will make it clear the question I have been asking for days and you will be able to actually answer it instead of going off on various tangents. The ADD/IPSQ must be taking over. I am sure one of the high schoolers at NW can get you some Ritilin.

[obiefan]

swine is not on lunch break yet he cant reply to you billy :-D

[Louden]

SCENE 3

<FADE IN>

Standing on the gym floor, Billy stares up the bleachers with a distracted look. Sighing in surrender Billy takes a seat in the front row, knowing that such a climb would surly give him a heart attack.
Several people scoot away from Billy, who is oblivious to the fact that he smells like old onions marinated in dog feces. With a clear space next to him, Billy opens up his pack and pulls out twin double stacked bacon, lettuce, & tomato burgers. Quickly stuffing both burgers down his throat, Billy then chases it down with two snickers bars, a box of fully buttered pop corn, and a large mountain dew.
A kid seated behind Billy tapped him on the shoulder.

KID: Keep it quiet tubs, we can actually hear you getting fatter!

Billy choked, and started to retort but the kid walked back over to his friends who were all laughing hysterically.
Billy began imagining vile things but was distracted as his favorite zebra swaggered onto the mat. Billy wiggled his plump fingers anxiously, the ref’s every movement exciting him.

BILLY: Oh man, he can really fill out that uniform!

Billy didn’t realize that his thoughts had come out of his mouth until he noticed the people sitting all around were staring at him with looks of astonishment, disgust, and anger. At first Billy wondered why they would be angry, even if what he said was inappropriate, until he realized that they thought he was talking about the high school wrestlers on the mat with his favorite zebra!!!

BILLY: Oh, no! I didn’t mean what you think I meant!

One man, with a large beard and greasy brown hair stood up.

MAN: You talkin bout my boy like that? I’ll show you what we do with pedophiles in Jefferson County!

The man slugged Billy in the gut, which was absorbed by one of his many fat rolls. The next punch wasn’t as lucky as it hit him on the side of the face. Billy went down with the burly Jeff Countian on top of him. Billy tried to get up but the man was strong and broke him back down. After a moments struggle, Billy managed to look up to see if anyone would come to break the fight up but to his surprise a crowd had merely gathered, and in the front of them all was his crush, the tall salt & pepper haired referee he had come here to see! Billy looked desperately to the man.

BILLY: Help me!

The ref cocked back his fist and Billy let out an audible sigh, relieved that the ref had come to his rescue. To his shock though, instead of punching Billy’s attacker, the ref threw his fist into the air.

REF: STALLING ON BOTTOM!

Billy looked up in puzzlement.

BILLY: What?! Help me! This is craz….

Billy was cut off as his burly attacker crossfaced him hard and broke him back down onto the floor. Realizing that no one was going to help him, Billy struggled to escape but could not get free of the mans grip. After a few more moments struggle Billy heard a thumping on the floor in front of him. It was the ref, and he was throwing his fist into the air again.

REF: STALLING ON BOTTOM!

Despite being roughed up and in a total state of shock, Billy still felt excited about the way the ref threw his fist around. He felt a sudden surge of energy inspired by the excitement he felt, and managed to force his way to a sitting position.
Billy’s attacker moved in front of him attempting a front-headlock position, but Billy reached out and grabbed the man’s legs with a strength born from years of grabbing chicken legs and pulled the man close. The man threw a couple of jabs into Billy’s side, but those strikes were absorbed in rolling waves of lard.
Penetrating deeper, Billy locked in a five on two, a move that he had perfected over the years. The man screamed in pain and struggled frantically, but could not break Billy’s grip. Someone yelled:

PERSON: He’s got him by the frank and beans!!!!

The man howled and Billy imagined he was in a intimate embrace and found an overwhelming strength that could not be broken. Within moments, his attacker’s screams diminished and soon after that, he stopped struggling.
Shoving the man off of him and then standing up, Billy beamed, thinking that his victory would impress the referee. As he turned to face the man he was suddenly tackled from behind and hand cuffed, a situation he had enacted many times before in role-play, but this time it was for real. He was being arrested.

Thoughts of punishment and imprisonment ran through his mind suddenly, and Billy began forming a strategy for his defense if he had to go to court, but then those thoughts were interrupted with thoughts of prison. He would be surrounded by big ruffian men all of whom would be required to wear zebra-like uniforms much like those of the referee’s. Billy looked up at the officers as he was being dragged away.

BILLY: I did it! I am guilty and should be locked away!

<FADE OUT> END SCENE

[eagle1]

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

[RP-in-Nebraska]

PERSON: He’s got him by the frank and beans!!!!

:lol:

[TxMx]

more!...more!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Denmom]

The man slugged Billy in the gut, which was absorbed by one of his many fat rolls. The next punch wasn’t as lucky as it hit him on the side of the face. Billy went down with the burly Jeff Countian on top of him.


But Darth, I wanted you to be the punching guy. Change this to St. Charles Countian. :wink:

[Louden]

Sorry, but I am the creative designer, not you.

[MG_Grievous]

REF: STALLING ON BOTTOM!


Well which one was it?

Please don't leave me in suspense.

[Louden]

REF: STALLING ON BOTTOM!


Well which one was it?

Please don't leave me in suspense.

Besides me disagreeing with some calls, none of the refs have done anything to me personally so I am not going to put a name in the story. Sorry.

[MG_Grievous]

BOOOOO!!!!!! :smt019

[Denmom]

Like started this thread made the RAllos your best friends. :lol:

[Louden]

Like started this thread made the RAllos your best friends. :lol:

If I had used their names you likely would have started an uproar. I don't use their names and you still have snide remarks.

Women. No matter what you do it's an uphill battle...
:?

[No1]

This year, everytime Rallo makes a stalling call, everyone start chanting Rallo....Rallo...Rallo....Rallo...............

[eagle1]

This year, everytime Rallo makes a stalling call, everyone start chanting Rallo....Rallo...Rallo....Rallo...............

THat would be funny. . . .

It would not change anything, it could even make the situation worse,

but it would be funny.

[MG_Grievous]

This year, everytime Rallo makes a stalling call, everyone start chanting Rallo....Rallo...Rallo....Rallo...............

:-k

That's a good idea.

Somebody can bring posters that say "RALLO" and they can lead the chant throughout the arena.

RALLO RALLO *stomp stomp clap* RALLO RALLO *stomp stomp clap*

[Denmom]

MG, in your other live (you know the ones that Darth believes in) you must have been a male cheerleader!!

[MG_Grievous]

Maybe that's why I like fat dancing men?

[MG_Grievous]

(you know the ones that Darth believes in)

[-X

No wonder you two go at it.

[Denmom]

Well, if I wouldn't have said that, then I would have heard about it from all the people that know I don't believe in that. That is called "saving my butt" :wink:

[No1]

We need to start a new thread on the Rallo chant so more people will know to do it, if that is what we want to do......on all class threads.....

[Denmom]

:-#

[MG_Grievous]

We need to start a new thread on the Rallo chant so more people will know to do it, if that is what we want to do......on all class threads.....

I'm on it. :smt023

[No1]

You are the MAN!!!!

[lovekc]

could someone please tell SG4U that the 'Stallos' oops! I meant 'Rallos' are really aLIENS?!

[MG_Grievous]

could someone please tell SG4U that the 'Stallos' oops! I meant 'Rallos' are really aLIENS?!


He's on an important bounty right now, but I'll forward the message.

[MG_Grievous]

I hear a big fan of the Rallos will be in attendance this weekend:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/mg_grievous/rallosign3.jpg

[LSWfan]

So Where was this famous ref last weekend....

I didnt hear much in the way of complaints around districts.. :wink:

[Denmom]

he was doing a FABulous job at one of the districts. all four of them.

[Louden]

he was doing a FABulous job at one of the districts. all four of them.

If he managed to ref in all four districts, then I take back anything I said about his stalling calls... That's just incredible!

[LSWfan]

Did Louden just become a fan????? :oops:

[eagle1]

he was doing a FABulous job at one of the districts. all four of them.

If he managed to ref in all four districts, then I take back anything I said about his stalling calls... That's just incredible!

Louden,

All four of them refers to all four Rallos at one district.

[cementMixer]

Sooooooooooooo. Which of the Rallos recently retired?