Tips for your 1st Date:

[Louden]

This is from http://www.friendzoned.com which is a site a pal of mine started to help guys with dating. Even if you are a casanova it's still good stuff to read. Check it out:

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1. The date. Do something that has low cost and low entertainment value. For example, meeting at a Starbucks for a coffee or an upscale and quiet bar for a drink is a great idea because it allows the two of you to sit and talk to each other. In addition, it should not cost you a lot. If you were to date ten women and took each one for a drink, that would potentially cost you $10 a date. However, if you took those ten dates to dinner and a movie, at a cost of $50 each, that's a lot more. From the perspective of cost, the whole point is not to buy random women meals but to get to know her. So money should not be a factor in first dates. In addition, if you avoid venues like movies and concerts, etc., you can be assured that you have not met a woman who is just going out with you because her other boyfriend (who she "forgot" to mention) is out of town and she is bored. Finally, if you do go someplace with low entertainment value (i.e., not a sports bar with 42 TV's) she and you will not be distracted. Instead, you can sit and talk to each other and get to know who likes what, etc.

Now if the date goes bad, you are also not locked into a big meal and have not wasted $22 on two movie tickets. Or whatever those ridiculous costs are at the movie theater!!! You're really only out the $5 for her drink, as you consumed yours.

If you do go to a bar, be SURE not to (1) get drunk (2) order shots.

2. Check her out - CAREFULLY. When your date arrives, you should make a note of how she presents herself. Don't be obvious, but get a basic idea. This will be an indicator of her interest level in you which is very important. Plain and simple, if she shows up in sweatpants, a t-shirt, and her hair back in a ponytail and has no makeup on, you can bet she's not interested in impressing you. I would say this means your date should be the one drink but you may want to consider nothing else. You'll probably quickly gather from the conversation that she's not interested anyway.

However, if she shows up with a clean outfit, nicely done hair and makeup, nice shoes, nails done, and otherwise looking great you can bet that she spent an hour or more getting ready. The only reason why she would do that would be to impress and attract you. That is a very good sign. So, for example, if she walks in and everyone stops and looks, that's a good thing.

Very important: While you should compliment her, you should compliemnt her EFFORT and not her EXISTANCE. So a good compliment would be "You look very nice tonight." A bad compliment would be "You're the most beautiful woman I have ever seen and you look hot." I would also recommend that you give her only one compliment for the entire date. Don't be a "Yes man" like you see on TV. Keep it real. Just relax. She heard you and you don't need to repeat yourself.

You should, of course, also be dressed nicely but in your own style that makes you feel comfortable. Nice shoes are a must, as is a LITTLE cologne (she should only be able to smell it if she hugs you, not from 3 feet away), and - of course - be SURE your breath is nice. Brush your teeth AND your tongue (or get a tongue scraper.) I cannot emphasize how important this is as, regretfully, I had bad breath on my first date and did not know. Believe it or not, she told me that was my only flaw and she could live with it, so you may get lucky but don't risk it!

3. Topic of conversation. First, you need to learn that just about everything to do with your car, computer, job, religion, political views, and other stuff that is boring or controversial should be *strictly* off limits at this point. Your goal is to not bore her to death! You should also focus on positive, fun, and entertaining topics. So no blood and guts, no talk about Saddam Hussein unless you're talking about the Southpark movie and she brought it up and loves it, no guns, no crime, no sex jokes or crimes, stuff like that. Do NOT talk like a creep. Do NOT talk about ex GF's or BF's, no blatent sex jokes, and other offensive topics.

You have to remember one thing: You are here to get to know HER. Now I know a lot of guys say "Oh, I'd be so happy if ANY woman liked me and I would do anything to date so-and-so" but that is a crazy concept. Women are not all perfect - they are human, just like you or I. They do crazy things just like us. They may do things that are downright offensive. Your job is to find out on a high level if she is SANE. You do this by asking her lots of questions, and then getting her to expand on them. Such as "So, have you lived around here long? Really? Where did you live before that? What was your favorite part of living there?" Etc. If she starts to let you know that she's a drug user who goes to clubs and takes a different guy home every week... well, I would not want to date a woman like that. In the end, you want to talk away knowing 100x as much about her as she does you.

4. Don't act like a creep. This means that you look her in the eyes. You do NOT look at her body, nor do you comment on it. You do NOT look at other women, nor do you flirt with them. You do not blow smoke in her face. You do not TOUCH her until after you have kissed her (later). You need to act like a gentleman, being polite and mature. Open doors for her. Be kind. If you get a drink that is made wrong, send it back and get it fixed. If someone is rude to you, move to another seat.

If you get into a fight at the bar, I can just about guarantee your relationship with her will be short lived. The same goes for driving like a maniac, blasting the music in the car which she hates, or spitting on the ground. Being rude is also a deal breaker, so shape up and behave like an adult!

5. Find out if she likes you. The most important thing is to determine if she has an interest level in YOU. Does she ask you personal questions? Like what your name is, how old you are, where you live, if you are single, if you are employed, if you like children or small animals, etc. Does she look you in the eye as well? Does she sit/stand close to you, facing you? Or does she lean back, stay back, with her arms crossed? Is she talking to other guys (note: end the date there)? Is she flirting with you ... or the bartender? The simple reality is that she should be doing things to make you like her, and if she doesn't then she probably doesn't care, and that means she is using you for a free drink.

6. Flirt. Joke. Have fun. Never be serious. Be confident in a funny way. That means that you need to lighten up and be yourself, but at the same time avoid serious topics. If she asks how old you are, make her guess. If she asks what you do for a living, avoid the cliche "If I tell you I'd have to kill you" but instead say that you do something that is as outrageous as you think you can get away with. Then see if she "catches" you. If she doesn't wait a minute or two and let her know. For example, I may tell her that I'm a lumberjack. Of course, I'm not a muscle man, so any woman with half a brain should say "Bull!" and then we can have a good laugh. I generally don't talk about work too much, though, other than to say I am a manager at such-and-such government agency and it's a good job. Any more details are boring.

7. End the date. At the end of the date, you should understand that the one thing she expects is for you to try and kiss her. (Not necessarily wanting you to, but expects it) This requires you to walk her to her door and then, when the two of you stop talking, all you have to do is lean in very slowly and then stop a little way from her face. If she leans into you as well, there is your kiss. I'd recommend a dry, gentle, on the lips kiss. No tongue. At this point you STILL should not have touched her all night, but instead watched to see if she touched you (which signals interest level) but now you may want to gently put a hand around her back or neck. For only a few seconds. You'll, of course, have to play that by ear, I cannot advise you on that!

8. Set up another date. And the end of the date, if things went well, be sure to let her know that you would like to go on another date but will call her. Don't tell her when and where yet, because I doubt you've planned it yet. This will give you some time to think what to do next. Anyway, I would recommend waiting 1-3 days to call her again and set up another date.

9. Finally, I would *strongly* reccommend avoiding email and phone for long conversations. They do not lend themselves well to romantic situations, so instead you should use them as they are intended - for short exchanges and to set up times to go on another date.

:roll:

[oldtimer]

Man....the last time I dated, I looked like puppy that found a bone that is bigger than the pup's body.

I had it, slobbered all over it and made a mark on it....but, never could figure out exactly how to get the job done.

Overall, pretty good advice.....

[Louden]

:roll:

Oh stop it. You like it.

[Tom Araya]

If I were dating today, I'd prefer to just meet anonymous people on the internet. You get right to the point, don't waste time "getting to know someone," and don't have to spend any money. . .

[lovekc]

Man....the last time I dated, I looked like puppy that found a bone that is bigger than the pup's body.

I had it, slobbered all over it and made a mark on it....but, never could figure out exactly how to get the job done.

Overall, pretty good advice.....

That would earn you a Doc Marten upside the head.

[oldtimer]

Man....the last time I dated, I looked like puppy that found a bone that is bigger than the pup's body.

I had it, slobbered all over it and made a mark on it....but, never could figure out exactly how to get the job done.

Overall, pretty good advice.....

That would earn you a Doc Marten upside the head.

You honor me....Doc's are expensive. I try to find the lest expensive shoe to through!

[Louden]

If I were dating today, I'd prefer to just meet anonymous people on the internet. You get right to the point, don't waste time "getting to know someone," and don't have to spend any money. . .

Don't overestimate online dating. I have 2 brothers who were big into doing it, and they went on dozens of dates. Even the ones that went well didn't last long because-especially for women-they have so many options that they are serial daters. Even if they like you they are right back looking on the internet for more guys, because they are getting tons of attention. Internet dating isn't as easy as it sounds-not for guys anyway.

I'm not saying that you can't find success, because both of my brothers did. The younger one is dating a girl he met on myspace for about 7 months now, and the older one is actually dating a girl from Holland.

[lovekc]

Man....the last time I dated, I looked like puppy that found a bone that is bigger than the pup's body.

I had it, slobbered all over it and made a mark on it....but, never could figure out exactly how to get the job done.

Overall, pretty good advice.....

That would earn you a Doc Marten upside the head.

You honor me....Doc's are expensive. I try to find the lest expensive shoe to through!

I try to find the heaviest.

[oldtimer]

Man....the last time I dated, I looked like puppy that found a bone that is bigger than the pup's body.

I had it, slobbered all over it and made a mark on it....but, never could figure out exactly how to get the job done.

Overall, pretty good advice.....

That would earn you a Doc Marten upside the head.

You honor me....Doc's are expensive. I try to find the lest expensive shoe to through!

I try to find the heaviest.

Is that because you are a BIG footed woman? or Are you like the women in my house....the lighter the shoe the more expensive?

Ha

[lovekc]

Actually, I have very small feet. I used to wear $$$$$$ designer shoes, now everything I wear is fitted by a pedorthist at Comfort Shoe Specialists in Creve Coeur. I miss my strappy sandaly looking things, but my knee won't allow it. :cry: If you know anyone with back pain, foot problems, diabetes, etc. that's the place to go.

[oldtimer]

I get my shoe inserts from the Dept. of Vet. Affairs,,,,hurt the feet and one knee overseas. Know the VA pays for them.

[MG_Grievous]

Just be upfront and tell her you're expecting sex.

Her reaction will give you an indication of your chances.

[MG_Grievous]

Actually, I have very small feet.


Small penis. :lol:

[oldtimer]

Actually, I have very small feet.


Small penis. :lol:

MG

You must have a strong idea of self......to post on here that you have a small penis.

:lol:

[MG_Grievous]

Lovekc has the little one.

She told me last night.

[lovekc]

Oh the things you discover whan you search backward a few days........!


:shock:

[Denmom]

Having a boring night so trying to read some of the long interesting things.


4. Don't act like a creep. This means that you look her in the eyes. You do NOT look at her body, nor do you comment on it. You do NOT look at other women, nor do you flirt with them. You do not blow smoke in her face. You do not TOUCH her until after you have kissed her (later). You need to act like a gentleman, being polite and mature. Open doors for her. Be kind. If you get a drink that is made wrong, send it back and get it fixed. If someone is rude to you, move to another seat.


I found this to be funny. First of all, the only gentleman I know of is Johnathan. And that is because he told me he was. lol

but since this is the year 2006 - if a girl doesn't open her door, the car might drive off without her. and if they smoke, well that is a turnoff to a many girls. He better have something else going for him because cigarettes are the number one cause of bad breath.

Now a good strong man that takes up for a woman isn't a bad thing. Someone gives her a hard time, he needs to take control. Doesn't mean it has to be a fight, could be just time to move to another area or just time to leave.

And women do like to see a little romatic side. Picnic in the park, lay under the stars and talk, etc. Maybe not on a first day but romantic dates are huge brownie points.

[Louden]

but since this is the year 2006 - if a girl doesn't open her door, the car might drive off without her. and if they smoke, well that is a turnoff to a many girls. He better have something else going for him because cigarettes are the number one cause of bad breath.

Smoking is a turnoff to many girls. My girlfriend and her sisters all agree that smoking is an instant dealbreaker, no matter how good of a prospect you seem to be. However being realistic, a lot of women smoke too so smoking probably isn't going to be a dealbreaker for them unless they are trying to quit.

Now a good strong man that takes up for a woman isn't a bad thing. Someone gives her a hard time, he needs to take control. Doesn't mean it has to be a fight, could be just time to move to another area or just time to leave.

Definitely do not fight. Fighting on the first, second, or even third date is most likely going to be a dealbreaker for you unless the girl you are dating is from Jefferson County, and in that case she might just run into your arms and ask you to take her right then and there. Okay, joking... sort of. Any mature woman should dump the guy on the spot for his lack of control in such a situation unless it is a very odd circumstance.

And women do like to see a little romatic side. Picnic in the park, lay under the stars and talk, etc. Maybe not on a first day but romantic dates are huge brownie points.

Romantic side? The time of the metrosexual is thankfully coming to an end. The time of the wussy beta male has passed and it is time for the Woman's Lib to step aside and make room for the Macho Man again. Too long our society has been trying to teach men that they are wrong to be men, that the Alpha Male is a jerk.

Just today on my way to work I was listening to the MJ Morning Show (I miss Howard Stern...) and they were discussing how couples deal with swingers and such, and everytime the guys started talking about being interested in such a thing, they started out by saying, "Us men are sick, disgusting, but we enjoy fantasies about other women." What is sick and disgusting about fantasizing about other women? All men do it, it is how men are. It's not sick or disgusting unless a guy is actually realizing that fantasy behind their lady's back. It is engrained in our mind that us men should be ashamed of how we think and feel, and it's about time this crap ends.

I am not saying a guy can't be romantic from time to time on special occasions, but it is far too early to be thinking like that on a first, second, or even a third date. There is a time and place for such things in a relationship, such as an anniversary, valentines day, etc. Not the courting stage. It sounds nice to suggest something like that, but what women say they want and what they actually respond favorably to are completely different things.

Discuss.

[wrestlefan19]

have you seen the HS generation?
Trust me the Metro age is JUST starting

[Denmom]

I am not saying a guy can't be romantic from time to time on special occasions, but it is far too early to be thinking like that on a first, second, or even a third date. There is a time and place for such things in a relationship, such as an anniversary, valentines day, etc. Not the courting stage. It sounds nice to suggest something like that, but what women say they want and what they actually respond favorably to are completely different things.

I have a hard time believeing that. A picnic at the park on a second date if the first date went good, most girls would love. Now if you are talking about bar hangin out girls that had rather go drinking for the night then maybe you won't see that. But could be a good date for just getting laid and not having a lasting relationship. Of course if that is what you are wanting.

But if you are LOOKING for a lasting relationship, she wants to know you are THINKING about her, only her from the time the first date ended to well forever.

Darth, fantazing about other girls. come on. OK, let me ask my husband tonight if he minds me fantazing about a me and a couple guys making out. lol Bet he won't go for that. Even if it isn't realistic. If he is doing that, well he better not tell me. Then I would start thinking that he could be doing that ANYTIME!

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Discuss.

No thanks.

[Louden]

I have a hard time believeing that. A picnic at the park on a second date if the first date went good, most girls would love. Now if you are talking about bar hangin out girls that had rather go drinking for the night then maybe you won't see that. But could be a good date for just getting laid and not having a lasting relationship. Of course if that is what you are wanting.

But if you are LOOKING for a lasting relationship, she wants to know you are THINKING about her, only her from the time the first date ended to well forever.

I never said that a walk in the park or even a picnic was a bad idea for a first date, I said that trying to be romantic is. The park is a good idea because it is inexpensive, quiet, and allows a guy to talk to the girl and get to know her (assuming he is looking for a relationship and not a one night stand). If a guy brings flowers to a first date (especially to a picnic date) and tries to show her how romantic he is, then he is a fool and I wouldn't recommend it. It sounds like a nice fantasy date, but in the reality girls usually will not respond well with interest if a guy pulls this stuff early. It comes across as fake, like he's trying to hard, and he clearly is trying to impress her.

Instead, his attitude should be that she should impress him. That is where the Woman's Lib will start their protests, but from tons of experience, women respond better with romantic interest towards the Alpha Male type guy with whom she feels SHE needs to impress, rather than the beta male guys who try to impress her.

Darth, fantazing about other girls. come on. OK, let me ask my husband tonight if he minds me fantazing about a me and a couple guys making out. lol Bet he won't go for that. Even if it isn't realistic. If he is doing that, well he better not tell me. Then I would start thinking that he could be doing that ANYTIME!

Well, exactly. Every guy (who's normal) has fantasies that include other women. He shouldn't tell his partner unless she enjoys that type of thing (yes there are couples that get turned on by this type of stuff) just as she should respect him with keeping those types of fantasies quiet. The point is that guys shouldn't be led to feel ashamed or to thinking that they are pigs or that such thoughts are wrong. They are NORMAL.

[Louden]

have you seen the HS generation?
Trust me the Metro age is JUST starting

They need to be slapped silly then. They are catering to an image that the Woman's Lib tries to impress upon us as to how men should be. Men should be men, and shouldn't be ashamed of it.

[Tom Araya]

have you seen the HS generation?
Trust me the Metro age is JUST starting

They need to be slapped silly then. They are catering to an image that the Woman's Lib tries to impress upon us as to how men should be. Men should be men, and shouldn't be ashamed of it.

Amen, brother.

Preach it.

[Louden]

Guys truly are dumb for the most part. They cling to things and try to "fix" everything long after it becomes pointless to do so.

Women have a wonderfully easy way they make decisions. They go by what they "feel" is right. They trust their gut. For instance, if she is dating a guy and by the 2nd date she doesn't "feel" right about it, she moves on and stops dating that guy-even if she couldn't find anything concretely wrong about the guy.

Guys on the other hand, they are dumb for the most part. They will continue to tread down a dead end road just to see if there is a place to turn things around. Long after the girls stops giving him signs of interest, long after he's been taken advantage of, he still tries to work things out.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but for the most part the majority of the situations work like this. Why do guys do this? I don't know.

[fudge tunnel]

The new term now is "Uber-sexual" - basically a "John Wayne" type of guy, or a "man's man". I like how the Fem Libs and the Feminized Men attached the term "Uber" to that type of man - subconsciously suggesting that they are malevolent or evil.

[Louden]

The new term now is "Uber-zexual" - basically a "John Wayne" type of guy, or a "man's man". I like how the Fem Libs and the Feminized Men attached the term "Uber" to that type of man - subconsciously suggesting that they are malevolent or evil.

We likewise have a term for those feminists. It's called feminazi's.

[fudge tunnel]

The new term now is "Uber-zexual" - basically a "John Wayne" type of guy, or a "man's man". I like how the Fem Libs and the Feminized Men attached the term "Uber" to that type of man - subconsciously suggesting that they are malevolent or evil.

We likewise have a term for those feminists. It's called feminazi's.

......or ____ing skank bitch whores

[wrestlefan19]

apparently our definition of Metro is different
I dont mean metro as in wusses and overly romantic i meant Metro as in guys going tanning and wearing pink with the popped collar and shaving their legs and all that
Alot of those kids are "players" and not nice romantic guys by any means but the wusses (your definition of metro) are still just as big as ever...

[Louden]

What about you wrestlefan, you got a lady? Or are you waiting until you actually outweigh the girls your age? :lol: Just messing with ya bro.

[obiefan]

louden where did that come from.. that was kind of mean!
metrozexual basically means a man that uses hair products, tans and works on his apperance. it is just different than when darth was in the jefferson county school district.

metrozexuals were basically the preps when i was in HS.
i know when jason was in HS they were called the bros. they wore pink and popped their collars and dressed in A&F, used hair products and went to the tanning beds. and also did the manicure/ pedicure thing.
it was to attract the ladies 8)

[fudge tunnel]

they wore pink and popped their collars and dressed in A&F, used hair products and went to the tanning beds. and also did the manicure/ pedicure thing.
it was to attract the ladies 8)

......and the Rudys.......

[Louden]

louden where did that come from.. that was kind of mean!
metrozexual basically means a man that uses hair products, tans and works on his apperance. it is just different than when darth was in the jefferson county school district.

metrozexuals were basically the preps when i was in HS.
i know when jason was in HS they were called the bros. they wore pink and popped their collars and dressed in A&F, used hair products and went to the tanning beds. and also did the manicure/ pedicure thing.
it was to attract the ladies 8)

I was just messing with wrestlefan. He's a pretty cool kid.

Look, I don't think tanning if you are a dude is a bad thing. Nor is bathing, fixing your hair, etc. But shaving your legs? That is a bit much...
But you're right, that's not exactly what I was referring to. I was refering more towards the guys who try to cater to a womans needs in order to impress her. Wussy boys. Nice Guys. Doormats. Whatever you call them.

[obiefan]

that whole rudy thing is wild!
jason shaved his legs during season because the stubble was perfect by the time he wrestled in tournaments :lol:

[wrestlefan19]

as much as i hate to say it i honestly think im going to shave my legs come season bc It is REALLY starting to get annoying

and Louden I dont have a woman right now (I did shortly early in the season...bad idea) but I have no problem with girls....Ask LoveKC how I do with the ladies

WF19- 4

J - 00000

[fudge tunnel]

as much as i hate to say it i honestly think im going to shave my legs come season bc It is REALLY starting to get annoying



........because WHAT is starting to get annoying?

I guess I just don't get the whole guys-shaving-their-legs thing.

Shaving their balls/taint - I can understand.......but not their legs.......

[wrestlefan19]

sometimes when i wrestle my legs scrape across the mat and pull out hair and the elastic part of our singlet comes up and rips hair out

I wouldnt do it if wrestling season was during the summer bc there is NO way i would wear shorts with shaved legs

[RP-in-Nebraska]

as much as i hate to say it i honestly think im going to shave my legs come season bc It is REALLY starting to get annoying


I guess I just don't get the whole guys-shaving-their-legs thing.


Me neither. I never even noticed hairs getting pulled or whatever else went on with leg hairs. Come on, 19, cowboy up!


Shaving their balls/taint - I can understand.......but not their legs.......

Ouch! Don't think I want to try that.

[fudge tunnel]

Ouch! Don't think I want to try that.

Eh........once you get the hang of it, it's no big deal.......

[Tom Araya]

Shaving their balls/taint - I can understand.......but not their legs.......

I can't understand getting a razor ANYWHERE NEAR the family jewels! :shock:

[Tom Araya]

[quote="RP-in-Nebraska":25a41]

Ouch! Don't think I want to try that.

Eh........once you get the hang of it, it's no big deal.......[/quote:25a41]

Guess you'll just have to call me Sasquatch, then!

[THE FAT SHALL OVERCOME]

as much as i hate to say it i honestly think im going to shave my legs come season bc It is REALLY starting to get annoying

and Louden I dont have a woman right now (I did shortly early in the season...bad idea) but I have no problem with girls....Ask LoveKC how I do with the ladies

WF19- 4

J - 00000

ok first off the official score was WF19-3
TFSO-0
the thing with the two chicks only counts as one

and it was all about the shoes.

[lovekc]

:smt043

[oldtimer]

I'm with RP "Cowboy Up".....also with Tom.....no sharp objects near the Boys.

[Louden]

It's a thing that older folks don't get. But these days, the ladies love it. Just the same how guys prefer it when women are "clean" downstairs.

The funniest thing... Last year my dad-who is Cpt. Straightarrow, rarely drinks, etc-was down at the Lake of the Ozarks and he calls up my younger brother, then 23, and says (slurringly) "Ish is true... that girls these daysh.... shave down there?"

My brother responds, "Yeah."

My dad pauses... "WEIRD!" and hangs up. When I heard that I was dying with laughter.

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Wrestlefan19, what happened with the ex? Why did she dump you... er you guys split up?

[Denmom]

I have to admit, my boys have updated me on that also. Kinda surprised me.

[Louden]

To elaborate further on the 1st date thing:

They should have low cost and you also want to avoid things where the entertainment value conflicts with being alone together.

Good dates:
-Coffee
-Bakery (snack)
-Bar (1-2 drinks)
-Picnic
-Walk in the park
-Beach
-Hike in the hills
etc.

Bad first dates:
-Double date (other folks could be downers, ruin your date)
-Party (she could meet other guys, they could flirt with her)
-Concert (Too loud to talk to each other)
-Monster truck pull (too loud, and boring anyway)
-Movie (can't talk. Side note: A woman told me yesterday that some guy invited her on a date to "Fast and Furious 3." She and I both laughed at what an idiot he was.)
-Club (noisy, competition from other men)
-Strip club (this should be obvious...)
-Parents house (yikes)
-Expensive dinner (insinuates that she must repay you with sex afterwards)
-Your place (insinuates that you want sex and you think she's a whore)
-Getting shots (you're only trying to get her drunk and ____ her)
-Bringing flowers or gifts (buying her presence, like a prostitute, and you'll expect sex later)

In addition, it helps you avoid gold diggers or women who are bored and need something to do ... and you're the sucker who will pay their way. The woman who got asked to FF3 agreed to go, even though she knew she'd hate the movie. Why? She told me "I don't have anything better to do and he's paying, so why not? I'll just ditch him afterwards." (Note: She's actually a very sweet young woman, and I'd do the same thing if I were in her shoes.)

Some women have a boyfriend, but he's out of town for a night. She knows nothing is going to happen, but you don't.

Some women just like to eat at fancy restaurants ... at your expense.

There are any number of ways that women will sucker you out of your money, and the goal is to find a woman who wants to be with YOU regardless of the venue. If you suggest PB&J sandwiches on a park bench, and she likes you, she'll be there. If she is after a $30 steak, she won't.

[oldtimer]

[quote="Louden"]It's a thing that older folks don't get.quote]

It's not that we don't get it! (Well actually we don't that much)
It's just that when you made a life long commitment, you take what you can get/choose.

When it is a choice between living or getting what one prefers.....it doesn't take much smarts to go with the living!

What the young folks don't get is that when your old.....the small things in life matter more. Like being good sooooooo long, that the little woman gives you the OK to buy a new truck. HOOOOOOO RAAAAAAAAAAA.

Oh, we can always surprise her with the new truck, but, then it doesn't matter if it is "clean" or "overgrown"....you won't get to see it, for a very long time.

[Denmom]

What the young'ems dont get is

1. they are waiting for Miss right, big knockers, great figure, beautiful face, etc etc but 25 years down the road, it really doesn't matter. A couple kids, gravity takes over and no matter what, you get old. You can't stop time.

And you have this beauty that all the guys want. So will she be faithful while you are in your 20's, 30's, and even 40's. If you are looking for a livelong commitment, you better start looking for someone who will commit to just you.

[oldtimer]

What the young'ems dont get is

1. they are waiting for Miss right, big knockers, great figure, beautiful face, etc etc but 25 years down the road, it really doesn't matter. A couple kids, gravity takes over and no matter what, you get old. You can't stop time.

And you have this beauty that all the guys want. So will she be faithful while you are in your 20's, 30's, and even 40's. If you are looking for a livelong commitment, you better start looking for someone who will commit to just you.

I'm lucking (blessed), I have a trophy wife that can cook, wants to stay home and raise the kids the right way and let's me think I'm in charge!

[Louden]

What the young'ems dont get is

1. they are waiting for Miss right, big knockers, great figure, beautiful face, etc etc but 25 years down the road, it really doesn't matter. A couple kids, gravity takes over and no matter what, you get old. You can't stop time.

And you have this beauty that all the guys want. So will she be faithful while you are in your 20's, 30's, and even 40's. If you are looking for a livelong commitment, you better start looking for someone who will commit to just you.

You're describing teenages and guys who are pretty clueless about women. That's one of the key things I try to talk about... finding a GOOD woman. Too many guys focus everything on trying to find the best looking thing out there and when they get one, they ignore the red flags and/or dealbreakers she commits and thus end up getting drug through the dirt and used. I could easily post on here stories by other guys regarding girls they are interested in, and it amazes me that they keep trying with someone who obviously is a shady flakey person with little respect for their partner.

[wrestlefan19]

Wrestlefan19, what happened with the ex? Why did she dump you... er you guys split up?

I dumped her
She was crazy
Apparently I was not allowed to TALK to ANY other females
she kept doing stupid stuff like that that i thought was supposed to end a long time ago

[Louden]

Wrestlefan19, what happened with the ex? Why did she dump you... er you guys split up?

I dumped her
She was crazy
Apparently I was not allowed to TALK to ANY other females
she kept doing stupid stuff like that that i thought was supposed to end a long time ago

Good job in dumping her then. She needs to learn that guys won't tolerate that childish behavior. Unfortunately there are a lot of guys out there who would have agreed and stopped talking to all girls when she said to... yeesh...

[Louden]

Earlier we were talking about how girls go with their gut instinct in making decisions whereas guys try to figure things out logically all of the time, and I was saying how it causes a lot of guys to cling long after he should have given up. Here is an example:

Hello there this could go on a bit but bare with me thanks. I am a guy in my mid 20's and I have this problem with a girl. It all started about 4 years ago when I started a gym class and after being there a few weeks I caught the eye of a girl whom I have adored ever since. At the time I had a girlfriend but 6 months later that ended. We had been having the occassional chat after for a few minutes after the gym but when I fell out with my girlfriend as she went with another guy this girl helped me alot by saying to me text me if you need anything so I did and it was a great help but after a few months when I was ok I did something silly and kinda fell for this girl whom I might state is 6 years my senior, she is single.

But back to when I started the gym I had made great friends with a guy there who is old enough to be my dad and he feels like a dad to me because of how much time we have spent together over the years and who is this girls father whom I adore.

So up to now as in recent we hardly speak this girl and I because I told her that I liked her about 2 years ago, I was turned down via text message I know I made a mistake but to this day she still gives me that "look" just like last night which is eye contact for 3-4 secs it feels like everything else doesnt exist around us for that few moments, this happens a few times in the hour. I feel as If her dad can tell as he is a little distant now but I am not totally sure. I like this girl alot but feel so stuck in not knowing what to do or how to approach her to even be friends again. Is she leading me on, am I reading the situation wrongly or does she like me but is too shy to admit it??

I hope you can help I could write a book about it all.. If you have any questions please ask and I will reply asap because Im really sad about it all..

Thanks in advance..

The girl already rejected him and he still imagines little "moments" between them and wonders if she is leading him on. He's wasted 4 years of his life on this, when she likely friendzoned him within the first couple meetings of theirs because she didn't get the right feeling about him. She saw no potential.

Guys are dumb... That 3-4 second "eye contact" between them probably went something like this:

Him: "She's looking at me. I think that means she's starting to dig me"

Her: "What the heck is he staring at. He's creeping me out..."

[wrestlefan19]

Wrestlefan19, what happened with the ex? Why did she dump you... er you guys split up?

I dumped her
She was crazy
Apparently I was not allowed to TALK to ANY other females
she kept doing stupid stuff like that that i thought was supposed to end a long time ago

Unfortunately there are a lot of guys out there who would have agreed and stopped talking to all girls when she said to... yeesh...

:lol:
What a buncha panzies

[RP-in-Nebraska]

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
Don't make a pretty woman your wife.
From my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you!

[wrestlefan19]

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
Don't make a pretty woman your wife.
From my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you!
:lol:
I have heard that song!

[oldtimer]

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
Don't make a pretty woman your wife.
From my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you!

What's your wife email address?

[RP-in-Nebraska]

What's your wife email address?

Oldtimerwishes@notforamilliondollars.com

[oldtimer]

What's your wife email address?

Oldtimerwishes@notforamilliondollars.com

It was worth a try.....those comments are good as gold......if I knew the right place to share them.......