Letter of Intent

[high hope]

Someone help me out here. . .I noticed Lindenwood "signed" three top notc h wrestlers fromt he area.

Lindenwood is an NAIA school, correct? I though NAIA and Division III schools had no athletic scholarship money. Why does a school then have a letter of intent signed? The dollars are academic based, or not?

I'm confused how this works. . . :?

Thanks for the help in advance.

[Conquistadors]

and while someone is answering the above question, can you also tell me what the difference is between Div II, Div III, and NAIA? Is NAIA "below" Div III-- or is that comparison incorrect?

Do Div II schools have athletic scholarships?

Do Div II schools have athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure DII does. I believe CMSU has 2 (or less).

[preceptor]

Div 1 - 9.9 athletic scholarship
Div 2- 2 athletic scholarship
Div 3- 0 athletic scholarship
NAIA- 0 athletic scholarships
That is if the schools are fully funded.

NAIA and Div 3 are allowed to offer aid packages (similar to Ivy schools). Depending upon financial need and academic performance you can get most of your school paid for. NCAA changed their rule allowing both academic and athletic money just a few years ago. It used to be that you could not get both you had to get either academic or athletic.

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Considering that it takes 10 wrestlers to field a full team for any given dual or tournament, and considering that additional wrestlers are needed to fill in spots when somebody is sick or injured, and considering that most schools need to be two or three deep to allow underclassmen to develop into varsity starters, how many wrestlers does a typical D-1 program have on it's roster? (I am assuming about 30)

Second part to this question is this, considering that basketball requires only 5 starters and only 5 players at any given time, is the number of basketball scholarships allowed at a D-1 college limited to 4.9? I would doubt it but does anybody know the exact numbers?

[high hope]

Preceptor or anyone who knows. . .

Okay, so an NAIA or Division III School can create a financial aid package that is academic/need based for an athlete to come to their school. It's a "loophole" that allows them to recuit athletes to their programs then. . correct?

It's my understanding athletic scholarship are availbale in Division I and II schools.

NAIA v. Division III schools- NAIA has their own set of rules as does JUCO, NCAA Division III. Is one better than the other? I have seen NAIA schools that are just as good if not better than some Div II schools and I've seen Div III schools better than NAIA or Div II and then there are a few JUCO programs better than both just because they are get an athlete who needs academic help to get to the next level. So that choice is OPEN for discussion on a program by program basis.

[preceptor]

I believe that basketball gets between 12-15 scholarships. I am not sure about that though. The number of wrestlers on a roster depends upon the school. I can remember a few years ago when MU had 11 on thier roster. Most NAIA coaches and some D 3 coaches work in the admissions office. Part of the job for some coaches is to maintain a certain number of kids out for the program. If you can go D1 then that is where you should be. Past that it depends upon what you are looking for. I would have to say that D2 is the next most competitive. Then D3, NAIA, and JUCO are all around the same level. They all have studs that come through from time to time that can compete at any level. I hope that I gave you the info that you are looking for.

[obiefan]

My Children,Jason and Jessica, attend Lindenwood University, they have leadership scholarships based on need and academics.

the letter of intent would be to participate in their sport.

i do tend to talk to myself alot though out of boredom :-D

[jcam149]

NCAA div III schools cannot give scholorships but NAIA schools can and do give scholorships. i know this because i wrestle at an NAIA school in nebraska. D III schools do, however, make tuition less for athletes sometimes. NCAA DI & II can give as much as a complete full ride scholorship.

[Conquistadors]

Jason and Jessica have leadership scholarships based on need and academics.

the letter of intent would be to participate in their sport.

Are you talking to yourself? Who are Jason and Jessica?

Jason and Jessica have leadership scholarships based on need and academics.

the letter of intent would be to participate in their sport.

Are you talking to yourself? Who are Jason and Jessica?

Her son and daughter (both at LU i think)

[Conquistadors]

Jason and Jessica's mom... thanks for clearing that up.

Next question: how come you don't call yourself Jason&JessicaFan instead of obiefan? Is your husband named Obie? :-D

[obiefan]

jason is a wrestler, he received the nickname obie at the age of 7.

so for the wrestling forum, i use obiefan.

and give me the clue behind your nickname.

did you wrestle jv in high school? :-D

[Conquistadors]

jason is a wrestler, he received the nickname obie at the age of 7.

so for the wrestling forum, i use obiefan.

and give me the clue behind your nickname.

did you wrestle jv in high school? :-D

ok.. yes I wrestled jv in high school... then I wrestled varsity. By the time I finished I was slightly better than average on a slightly better than average team. Not a star athlete by any means... but I loved wrestling then, and when I got back into it 20+ years later I have "fallen in love again." I hope you aren't implying that only star wrestlers are allowed to be wrestling fans-- that would really limit the fan base. It never occurred to me to wrestle in college. In hindsight I wish that I had, not because I had the talent to be any good, but because the program/coach was well-thought of (at San Francisco State) and because it would have kept me much more active than I became.

The handle comes from the old nickname for my high school. Sadly they discontinued wrestling some years ago.

[Thfzn]

D-1 schools can give a maximum of 9.9 scholarships...such as MU which is considered fully funded, but not all D-1 schools offer 9.9 scholarships, schools like Eastern Ill. may only offer around 4 or 5. The Ivy League schools do not offer any athletic scholarships. NAIA schools offer aid packages that on the surface are not considered "athletic scholarships" but would not be offered unless the student is a potential student-athlete.

I thought D-2 schools were allowed more that just 2 scholarships, any way even at most fully-funded D-1 schools rarely is any incoming frosh offered a "Full-Ride" so most scholarships are split up.

[Thfzn]

Conquistadors,

Is that SFS? I thought they were the Dons. By the way are you from CA?

[obiefan]

so you are back in Missouri?

I think once you become a fan of wrestling it never leaves you.

No other sport like it!

[Conquistadors]

Conquistadors,

Is that SFS? I thought that was the Dons. By the way are you from CA?

I think you are confusing two different colleges. I think Dons is the nickname for the University of San Francisco. That's a private, Catholic (Jesuit, I think) school that had great basketball teams in the 1950s & 60s. I think that Bill Russell, the center for the great Boston Celtics teams of the 1960s was the star of their team. I had a few friends who went to USF.

I went to the humble San Francisco State-- at least that was it's original name. Then it bacame Cal State University San Francisco then San Francisco State University. This is part of the Cal State system (I think 23 schools now). You might be familiar with schools at San Luis Obispo (i.e. Cal Poly), Cal State Fresno (Stephen Abas' school), etc. This is going to kill you, but when I went there (1974-78 ) tuition was $93 per semester :shock: San Francisco State was best known as having as a former university president the U.S. Senator "Sleeping Sam" Hiakawa. More recently an astronomer on the faculty has been in the news for discovering planets around various stars. The wrestling coach at the time was Abrams or Abrahams (sp?)-- I had him for a weightlifting class-- good guy and very much respected by his wrestlers.

San Francisco State's nickname is the Gators. At first I thought, ok, that makes sense as it comes from the Golden Gate. But noooo, it is the Alligators!?! Now what sense does that make for a west coast, cool temperature school? That's as inappropriate as a prominent Midwest school picking its nickname after a large, striped, feline carnivore from Asia... oops :? .

There is another well-known public university in San Francisco, the University of California at San Francisco (same system as Berkeley, UCLA, UC-Davis). UCSF has no undergrad; it is only a grad school/med school institution and world class medical research place.

Yes, I grew up in southern California, then went to school in northern California. After I graduated I worked downtown S.F. for two years (it was great!), then went to grad school at Wisconsin (Go Badgers)... many years later I got recruited by a firm and moved to St. Louis. I settled in Chesterfield and sent my kids to Parkway Central Middle then High Schools-- best thing I ever did for them, as the education there is first rate!

[obiefan]

mr ex-husband graduated from Parkway Central. Colts, now where did that come from :-D

I also am a Parkway alumni great school system!

[Conquistadors]

mr ex-husband graduated from Parkway Central. Colts, now where did that come from :-D

I also am a Parkway alumni great school system!

Whoa, maybe I've seen you at Dierberg's. Hey, was that you making eyes at me in the produce aisle? :oops:

[obiefan]

if you are that hot 50 year old bending over the lettuce....yes

and it was the original dierbers location, correct olive and woodsmill....

damn you do not look your age 8)

[Conquistadors]

if you are that hot 50 year old bending over the lettuce....yes

and it was the original dierbers location, correct olive and woodsmill....

dam you do not look your age 8)

I usually go to the Dierberg's on Clarkson, at the intersection with Baxter. But occasionally I do drop by the Olive and Woodsmill location just to hover over the lettuce 8) .

OK, now I'm embarrassed. I'm waiting for some dufus to say "hey, get a room." :oops:

[Super Gay AL]

OK, now I'm embarrassed. I'm waiting for some dufus to say "hey, get a room." :oops:

No, please continue.

[wrestlefan19]

OK, now I'm embarrassed. I'm waiting for some dufus to say "hey, get a room." :oops:

No, please continue.
yes its THsuper!
Curse you SGA!
your rubbing off on me!
....I meant that in the most heterosexual way that could possibly be said...

[Moooji]

NCAA DI =9.9 though many have fewer some have none
NCAA D2 =9.0 Few are fully funded
NCAA D3 =0 but creative private schools can find a way to get a stud into school and funded.
NAIA have limited Athletic scolarships but they too can find creative ways to pay for school that are not alowed in NCAA D1 or 2