State Predictions?

[SG_wrestlingfan]

103
Bintliff-Buffalo over Clemens-Odessa
112
Hunter-Harrisonville over Addison-Smithville
119
Schmitz-Kirksville over Meyer-Monett (don't know much about most of the kids in this weight class)
125
Bounous-Monett over Seiter-Benton
130
St. Louis-Platte County over Tutt-Moberly
135
Johnson-Ste. Gen over Heller-Odessa
140
Hunter-Harrisonville over Wittmeyer-Platte County
145
Bradshaw-Marshall over Fowler-Platte County
152
Tucker-DeSoto over Bond-Nevada
160
Yust-Seneca over McKinney-Marshall
171
Huck-Ste. Gen over Alter-Kirksville
189
Wolk-Ste. Gen over Guthier-Platte County
215
Greenhaw-Monett over Bell-Sullivan
275
Mallonee-Platte County over Hohensee-Monett

I may be off on some of these picks, but I figured I'd start it off.

[Charlieboy]

No disrespect to Yust but Keleher has been a bit of a senior as of late. I gonna go out on a limb here and say Keleher will beat Yust in the semis then I think McKinney , in a great match, will beat him in the finals. Sorry Keleher.

[T.D.C.Dad]

Yust will win it .

[legrider]

I think some of the better matches will happen in the Semi's. Especially in the upper weights. The luck of the draw definitely favored some this year. :(

[cmsufan]

I think that Clemons will win it. The kid can't be stopped. Also, I have seen both Fowler and Bradshaw this year, and Fowler definately as the edge. And I think Bainbridge will be Tutt to face St. Louis, with whom he has a record of 1-2 against (all matches settled by 2 points or less), in the finals. I watched them in district finals this weekend, and Bainbridge had St. Louis on the run the entire last period of the match. Hooper also had Whittmeyer on the run in the last period of the 5-4 match. Three of Whittmeyers points came from hooper cutting him.

[Hannibal King]

103
Clemens over Kelly

112
Hunter over Burkhart

119
Schmidtz over Frye

125
Brewer over Seiter

130
St Louis over Tutt

135
Johnson over Heller

140
Hunter over Wittmeyer

145
Bradshaw over Fowler

152
Tucker over Bond

160
Yust over McKinney

171
Huck over Taylor

189
Wolk over Guthier

215
Sobol over Jorgenson

275
Mallonee over Hohensee

[Scars]

Why Tucker over Bond?

Has Hohensee and Mallonee wrestled before?

[SG_wrestlingfan]

When I filled out my brackets, I put Bainbridge in the finals rather than Tutt, so I made that change. Also, I'm taking Tucker over Bond just because I think he's just as good a wrestler and he's stronger. Tucker is a VERY strong 152.

[mrvcfan]

I'll give this a shot:

103 - Clemmons over Bintliff
112 - Hunter over Addison
119 - Schmitz over Frye
125 - Seiter over Phillips
130 - Bainbridge over St. Louis
135 - Johnson Over Heller
140 - Hunter over Wittmeyer
145 - Bradshaw over Fowler
152 - Bond over Jones
160 - Yust over McKinney
171 - Huck over Alter
189 - Wolk over Guthier
215 - Sobol over Jorgenson
275 - Mallonee over Hohensee

[jonathan]

pick'em here:
http://www.missouriwrestling.com/state/c2.php

[lucky]

I dont see Frye beating Meyer.

[Scars]

I can't argue with you saying that Tucker is a "VERY" strong 152. But I think underestimating Bond is a huge mistake. Tucker may beat Bond, but I imagine it will be a dog fight. Bond is definately no push over.

I take Bond over Tucker, 5-3.

[oldtimer]

103 Clemens, Odessa 1
Bintliff, Buffalo 2
Kelly, Kirksville 3
Beltz, St. Clair 4


112 Addison, Smithville 1
Fowler, OG 2
Hunter, Harris. 3
Schmitz, Kirks. 4

119 Frye, Grain V. 1
Schmitz, Kirks. 2
Ashner, Owensv. 3
Gegg, St. G 4

125 Seiter, Benton 1
Bounous, Monett 2
Bainbridge, Odessa 3
Brewer, Windsor 4

130 St. Louis, Plate C. 1
Bainbridge, Odessa 2
Tutt, Moberly 3
Gaston, OG 4

135 Johnson-Ste. Gen 1
Heller-Odessa 2
Nickell, O Hara 3
Fetters, P Hill 4

140 Hunter, Harrisonv 1
Wittmeyer-Platte C. 2
Branson, Owensv 3
Duren, Warren C. 4

145 Bradshaw, Marshall 1
Fowler-Platte C. 2
Herman, St. Clair 3
Landes, C. Junc. 4

152 Tucker, DeSoto 1
Bond, Nevada 2
Plowman, Platte C. 3
Jones, Odessa 4

160 Yust, Seneca 1
McKinney, Marshall 2
Shippy, Odessa 3
Keleher, Moberly 4

171 Huck, St. G 1
Alter, Kirksville 2
Henson, Platte C. 3
Taylor, E. Springs 4

189 Wolk, St. G 1
Guthier, Platte C. 2
Gibbs, Moberly 3
Green, C. Junct. 4

215 Greenhaw, Monett 1
Bell-Sullivan 2
Sobol, Herc. 3
Laudwig, Kirks. 4

275 Mallonee, Platte C. 1
Hohensee, Monett 2
Dawson, Fulton 3
Williams, OG 4

[SG_wrestlingfan]

After filling out the brackets and with a few changes from my above predictions for first and second...here's my team scores:

1. Platte County 165
2. Monett 101
3. Ste. Gen 96
4. Kirksville 94
5. Odessa 92
6. Moberly 90

So second through sixth should be a good battle. I don't know much about the kids from Monett, and if they're as a good as wrestlers as their records indicate. We shall see.

[oldtimer]

After filling out the brackets and with a few changes from my above predictions for first and second...here's my team scores:

1. Platte County 165
2. Monett 101
3. Ste. Gen 96
4. Kirksville 94
5. Odessa 92
6. Moberly 90

So second through sixth should be a good battle. I don't know much about the kids from Monett, and if they're as a good as wrestlers as their records indicate. We shall see.

I haven't gone completely through my predictions yet to do points. One thing I don't know yet is how many St. Gen is bringing to State. If all their Kids take 1st as I listed, they will give Platte County a solid run to the time title.

[SG_wrestlingfan]

Ste. Gen is bringing 9 to state. The problem with that is 4 of them took 4th at districts which will make it difficult for them to score big points. If Johnson, Huck, and Wolk win state...that's about 70-80 points. Gegg and Vogt could earn as many as 30 more for the Dragons, but could also only give them 10-15. So we shall see.

[cmsufan]

I can't see how you don't have T. Bainbridge in the top four at 125, or Hooper in the top four at 140. Hooper lost to Hunter 5-3 and to Whitmeyer 5-4.

[Jdonovan]

After watching Bounous-125 and Meyer-119 on the state and national level for many years, I would not be a bit suprised to see them on the top of the podium.

Good Luck Kellen and Kyle, we will be rooting for ya.

[oldtimer]

I can't see how you don't have T. Bainbridge in the top four at 125, or Hooper in the top four at 140. Hooper lost to Hunter 5-3 and to Whitmeyer 5-4.

Whose post are you referencing: I had Bainbridge placing 3rd in 125lbs and I didn't show Hooper in the final 4.

Give me some clarity MO the MULE! When were you at CMSU? Are you an Alumnus?

:?

[cmsufan]

I apologize, you do have Bainbridge placing third at 125, but you don't have Hooper in the top four, which i believe is a mistake. He barely lost to Whitmeyer in the finals 5-4, and three of Whitmeyer's points came from being cut. I also think that Fowler will beat Bradshaw, and the M. Bainbridge will beat St. Louis. He has beaten him this year, and barely lost to him on Saturday. I would be suprised if St. Louis had any rubber left on his heels after the end of that match.

[kneepads]

:shock: i guess the young men from savannah and clinton and odessa and all those others that made it to state get no respect when all the favorites didnt even win districts.

[kneepads]

I like the picks at 125 , 145, 160 and 275 but everything else is wide open.

[DScott]

Bounous is a very good freshman, but when the chips were down at district he barely squeaked by the unranked (although solid) Clinton kid by 1 point in the finals. Wouldn't be totally shocked to see him win it, but I wouldn't bet too much on it happening.

[shumake]

Phillips from savannah beat T. bainbridge at districts and lost to seiter by 3 pts. how do you think bainbridge will place over him?

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Phillips from savannah beat T. bainbridge at districts and lost to seiter by 3 pts. how do you think bainbridge will place over him?

Things happen. I picked Bainbridge over him, too. The one example I love to use is Kendall Burke of Ray-Pec lost twice last year to John Jungeblut of Lee's Summit West - once by fall. Yet, Kendall was the state champ and Jungeblut didn't even place last year. It's all about match-ups and bracketing.

[Scars]

RP, I agree completely.

Some wrestlers are tough as nails, but can't come up with the win. Other times, you have wrestlers who just end up in a meat grinder side of a bracket and had an off match, and then mentally give up.

cmsufan,

Care to justify your choice of Fowler over Bradshaw? You gave an explanation on St. Louis losing to Bainbridge, but nothing for Bradshaw.

[do it on the mat]

bradshaw will beat fowler. bradshaw has become a very different wrestler thsi year. he is faster and smarter then fowler on his feet. i saw fowler wrestle this past weekend at super districts in excelsior and his finals match was very sloppy. if he doestn pull his stuff together he is going to lose at state.

[yurchenkotwist]

I know most of you guys aren't from southwest missouri so you constantly overlook our talent. I think you are forgetting a very good 119 by the name of Nathan Anderson. he was very solid at this weight all year... broaden your horizons

[DScott]

Anderson's pretty tough, but he's really a big 112 pounder, where he wrestled the last month or so of the season. I could see him medalling, but I don't think he can beat the top 119 pounders.

[cmsufan]

I believe Fowler will beat Bradshaw because his team will be rallying around him at that point. I expect that Platte County will be doing well and when your team has that kind of momentum, you often wrestle better than you really are. How many times has that happened with Oak Grove? One guy starts winning and it pumps another guy up, and that pumps another guy up, which pumps another guy up... I think you get the picture. Especially in a match that will be as close as this one.

[FirstTD]

The pick for 125 is the right one that is how i would have picked :evil:

[oldtimer]

In my picks,

Hooper got pin by Hunter in the second round. If you don't agree great.
Fowler over Bradshaw. That was a toss up for me. I went for an upset.
Anderson 119 - Upset again. I picked to Seniors over here. If Healey does beat him Gegg will. There something about a senior at State, they do great things.
Bounous beat Phillips, Baindridge smokes Bounous. He from the MRVC and a Senior.

As for the Odessa, Savannah, & Clinton, the respect is getting there. The ball is in the court to get respect after the medals are giving out.

As for the SW Missouri Wrestlers - I hope he does well. But, I didn't pick him. I can't explain it, just like my son can't explain it when I catch him picking his nose. I don't have a favorite on this side of the bracket. So me what you got kid!!!!

AS FOR THING HAPPENING AT STATE. Ask Doug Anderson, Pattonville, 1981 State Meet. He was the 2X Defending state champ, he did make it past the 2nd round and didn't place in the top six.

As for your team picking you up, I’ve been on the final two mats at state, if you don't haven't before you get there, you probable won't bring it with you. I don't care if its Oak Grove vs. Platte County or Oak Park vs. Ft. Zummalt.

NOW, you high school kids get out of the Library and go back to class. Or, start thinking about your matches on Thursday night. There is nothing better you can do than to WIN and shut me up. I would be happy for you.

[lucky]

I dont buy into your senior thing personally. On the way to a 3rd place finish last year Anderson beat Shrout,Shalabi, both seniors and ranked above him. Good luck to all wrestlers at state.

[oldtimer]

I dont buy into your senior thing personally. On the way to a 3rd place finish last year Anderson beat Shrout,Shalabi, both seniors and ranked above him. Good luck to all wrestlers at state.

That's OK - there just predictions! There's people in Vegas doing all the time....it doesn't mean that is what is going to happen.

Good Luck as well.

[cmsufan]

You have Hunter pinning Hooper? That's funny. In their earlier meeting this year, Hunter beat Hooper 5-3. I guess that is close to a pin, isn't it?

[Who?]

That's some funny stuff you had there Oldtimer.

[oldtimer]

You have Hunter pinning Hooper? That's funny. In their earlier meeting this year, Hunter beat Hooper 5-3. I guess that is close to a pin, isn't it?

You really don't like anyone having a different position than you? I really said Hunter would pin Hooper because I don't like Odessa!

Now you have it. A pin, 5-3, or both of them peeing their paints becuase of the pressure. I don't really care much for this lineup

I'll probable go to the Men's Room during their match.

But, good luck to both Men. If your Hooper or Hooper's friend, don't look past the Mexico kid. When you start looking to fair down the bracket, your probable be able to watch all the matches for the stands. But, look at this way, MSHSAA won't charge you for the other session like the rest of us.

[Hannibal King]

I'm jumpin on the Oldtimer bandwagon.. I like this guy

[oldtimer]

I'm jumpin on the Oldtimer bandwagon.. I like this guy

Well, thank you... I always like Hannibal.

[cmsufan]

You know what oldtimer, as long as we are picking people we like, I think I will take Huggins of Clinton, over Yust of Seneca, and how about Williams of Oak Grove over Mallonee of P.C. Just becuase I like those guys. I don't particularly like Hooper or Fowler, but I have seen them wrestle, and they look good to me, as compared to their opponents. But I guess we can take the weatherman approach, and say it won't rain, just because we don't want it to. Seems pretty logical.

[oldtimer]

You know what oldtimer, as long as we are picking people we like, I think I will take Huggins of Clinton, over Yust of Seneca, and how about Williams of Oak Grove over Mallonee of P.C. Just becuase I like those guys. I don't particularly like Hooper or Fowler, but I have seen them wrestle, and they look good to me, as compared to their opponents. But I guess we can take the weatherman approach, and say it won't rain, just because we don't want it to. Seems pretty logical.

Well---do what you want. You know if you could talk your way to the top of the podium. It might make a diffirence.

Let me suggest something to you =;

[Scars]

oldtimer - Finally someone else joins the forum who understands difference of opinion.

Although, counting out SW Missouri Wrestlers isn't the best move. Coming from that part of Missouri, I kind of liked it that I was overlooked in the KC area, but when the tournament ends and its all SWMO at the top of the podium, it speaks for itself. I hope to see (metaphorically because I won't be there) a good showing out of SWMO in this tournament.

cmsufan - Interesting. Don't count out a one man monster. I believe Winnetonka or whatever that school's name is had a solo wrestler who was very, very tough. And if I remember correctly, there was an individual named Watkins from Grandview who had a one man show at state ... multiple times. When you're a damn good wrestler, you don't need people to rally around you. When you're a wrestler, you can thrive off of momentum, but when you run into a physical wrestler that comes to a screeching halt. For Bradshaw to lose this match, he'll have to have something off of the mat affect him.

DScott - I agree completely with Anderson. Kids tough, but I can't see him making the finals. 3rd place isn't out of reach by any means though.

[oldtimer]

oldtimer - Finally someone else joins the forum who understands difference of opinion.

Although, counting out SW Missouri Wrestlers isn't the best move. Coming from that part of Missouri, I kind of liked it that I was overlooked in the KC area, but when the tournament ends and its all SWMO at the top of the podium, it speaks for itself. I hope to see (metaphorically because I won't be there) a good showing out of SWMO in this tournament.

cmsufan - Interesting. Don't count out a one man monster. I believe Winnetonka or whatever that school's name is had a solo wrestler who was very, very tough. And if I remember correctly, there was an individual named Watkins from Grandview who had a one man show at state ... multiple times. When you're a dam good wrestler, you don't need people to rally around you. When you're a wrestler, you can thrive off of momentum, but when you run into a physical wrestler that comes to a screeching halt. For Bradshaw to lose this match, he'll have to have something off of the mat affect him.

DScott - I agree completely with Anderson. Kids tough, but I can't see him making the finals. 3rd place isn't out of reach by any means though.

Scar,

Thanks for speaking up for the SW missouri kids. That other fellow got me all fired up and I should have went and done some research on the SW part of the state.

To all those kids for the Southwest part of Missouri. I wish you well....show the State what you got.

You know I'll be watch the brackets a little closer for those kids.

For someone that doesn't know that part of the state, what are the schools in the tourney that would call themselves SWMO. My only exposure to that area is SEMO, played them in football a long time ago. Still remember what that Rye Grass feels like in the fall down there in their stadium.

[lucky]

As i think Louden Swain said ,wierd things happen at state,thats what makes it so exciting. We know there will be upsets, Young men that have the tournament of their life. Cant wait for it to begin!!

[cmsufan]

Talk my way to the top of the podium? If I were still in high school I guess I could try. But since I am not, I plan to throw darts to predict state champions. And I understand a difference of opinion, but, I choose to live within the confines of reality.

[oldtimer]

Talk my way to the top of the podium? If I were still in high school I guess I could try. But since I am not, I plan to throw darts to predict state champions. And I understand a difference of opinion, but, I choose to live within the confines of reality.

Question: Did you go to CMSU or are you going? If you already attended, go back and talk to Dr. Omar Frank. He can explain it! If you want to attend, please go to Maryville.

If you already attended, go back and talk to Dr. Omar Frank. .

2nd cousin

[ncmcgrappling]

moberly spartans will prolly finsh in the top 4 tutt should win it kitchen top 4 spiller placing and keleher in top 4 gibbs top mabey 1st 215 top 4 and also the hwt these are all maybes though

[Scars]

oldtimer,

To answer your question, these are the wrestlers out of district 3, class 2, that I think are worth keeping an eye on. I say this... but all I have to go off of is what I see on paper. Only Spencer Daniels, Joe Yust, Nathan Anderson, Ben Hohensee, and Josh Landes I have seen wrestle, but that was two years ago.

Monnet - Kyle Meyer (119 1st D3)
I do not know anything on Meyer other than he finished above Anderson of McDonald County. That alone is enough for me to keep an eye on him. My guess, 3rd.
Monnet - Ben Hohensee (275 1st D3)
Only heavyweight in the state that will give Mallonee a run. My guess, 2nd.
Monnet - Kellen Bounous (125 1st D3)
I do not know anything on Bounous other than his record. My guess, 5th.
McDonald County - Nathan Anderson (119 3rd D3)
Kid is relatively consistant. My guess, 4th.
Nevada - Cole Bond (152 1st D3)
Constantly overlooked. Tucker over Bond is all I hear. Both of them still have to make finals. If state has taught us anything its that nothing is a promise. My guess, 1st.
Nevada - Spencer Daniels (171 1st D3)
HM wrestler most of the season, beat ranked (5? 6?) DePeralta 9-0 in finals. If his heads in it, this guy can have a hell of a run. My guess, 3rd.
Seneca - Joe Yust (160 1st D3)
Should be self-explanatory. My guess, 1st.
Carl Junction - Josh Landes (145 1st D3)
When I saw Landes wrestle he was very emotional and if a match was going his way he had a shot at winning. He's definately someone to watch because when he's on, he's tough. My guess, 8th or 3rd.
Carl Junction - Chris Green (189 1st D3)
I know nothing on Green other than his finish in the District and his ranking. On that... my guess, 8th.

Anyways. I'm not attempting to paint targets on these guys, I just wanted to explain why I think they are worth watching.

[Nineballman]

oldtimer,

To answer your question, these are the wrestlers out of district 3, class 2, that I think are worth keeping an eye on. I say this... but all I have to go off of is what I see on paper. Only Spencer Daniels, Joe Yust, Nathan Anderson, Ben Hohensee, and Josh Landes I have seen wrestle, but that was two years ago.

Monnet - Kyle Meyer (119 1st D3)
I do not know anything on Meyer other than he finished above Anderson of McDonald County. That alone is enough for me to keep an eye on him. My guess, 3rd.
Monnet - Ben Hohensee (275 1st D3)
Only heavyweight in the state that will give Mallonee a run. My guess, 2nd.
Monnet - Kellen Bounous (125 1st D3)
I do not know anything on Bounous other than his record. My guess, 5th.
McDonald County - Nathan Anderson (119 3rd D3)
Kid is relatively consistant. My guess, 4th.
Nevada - Cole Bond (152 1st D3)
Constantly overlooked. Tucker over Bond is all I hear. Both of them still have to make finals. If state has taught us anything its that nothing is a promise. My guess, 1st.
Nevada - Spencer Daniels (171 1st D3)
HM wrestler most of the season, beat ranked (5? 6?) DePeralta 9-0 in finals. If his heads in it, this guy can have a hell of a run. My guess, 3rd.
Seneca - Joe Yust (160 1st D3)
Should be self-explanatory. My guess, 1st.
Carl Junction - Josh Landes (145 1st D3)
When I saw Landes wrestle he was very emotional and if a match was going his way he had a shot at winning. He's definately someone to watch because when he's on, he's tough. My guess, 8th or 3rd.
Carl Junction - Chris Green (189 1st D3)
I know nothing on Green other than his finish in the District and his ranking. On that... my guess, 8th.

Anyways. I'm not attempting to paint targets on these guys, I just wanted to explain why I think they are worth watching.

I agree with almost all of it except I believe Monett 125lbs will place higher than 5th and Monett 215lbs will win it all. He (Greenhaw) might score 30 points for his team there. Not sure there is a 215 lbs (all classes) that could beat him. I know this is a big statement but this kid is nails.

[Scars]

Not sure how I missed mentioning him.
Thanks for bringing him up.

Greenhaw is definately a contender.

[Styve]

i think Pohlmann will give Mallonee a run for his money he came back from his injury at districs and dominated everyone and hes 21-0 all pins

[legowrestler]

mckinney over yust

[LowSingle101]

Monnet - Kyle Meyer (119 1st D3)
I do not know anything on Meyer other than he finished above Anderson of McDonald County. That alone is enough for me to keep an eye on him. My guess, 3rd.

Kyle Meyer has beaten Nick Velliquette of Nixa.(State runner-up, ranked 3rd at 119)

[pcparent]

Mallonee will be tough for anyone in class 2-2x state champ, undefeated this year. There have been a couple of matches that were close in points, but I do not believe he has been in any danger of losing a match this year. Even in the matches with close scores, he was in control the entire time.

[stewie]

Yust will not lose... Probably could have won 171lb if he would have stayed.

[Scars]

styve,
Mallonee is a great wrestler. I honestly feel that its a safe bet to pick him as a favorite for the title. And the Owensville wrestler, Polhmann, is 21-0 sure. But if he and Mallonee meet, it will be in the semi's, in the midst of Mallonee's warpath to the finals. I'm guessing 4-2 or 6-2 Mallonee. Perhaps WBF if this kid's endurace gets tested enough.

Nineballman,
I thought something sounded odd about you picking Greenhaw to win the title at 215. Sobol is at that weight. If they meet, it will be in the semis. Hopefully thats a match worth watching. Shame its not the projected finals...

legowrestler,
The last time Yust lost (correct me if I'm wrong) was to Dane Espinosa from Neosho. So what you are telling me is that McKinney is either just as good or better than him. I'm not buying it. Yust Mdec over whoever.

[Hannibal King]

I agree with almost all of it except I believe Monett 125lbs will place higher than 5th and Monett 215lbs will win it all. He (Greenhaw) might score 30 points for his team there. Not sure there is a 215 lbs (all classes) that could beat him. I know this is a big statement but this kid is nails.

you gotta be kidding me about Greenhaw, I've seen both him and Sobol wrestle and I will be suprised if it is even a close match... Sobol wins by decision 5-7 points in my opinion... it would be Sobol winning by a high M-Dec if he wasn't hurt.... to say there is no 215 in any class that could beat Greenhaw is plain stupid, I'll give you three off the top of my head (Wes Vilda, Kamden Rampley, John Ott), but we shall see

[pcfan82]

Well are you surprised now ?

[GaryM]

You did have the scoring margin correct in the Greenhaw-Sobol match but not the correct winner.

Also I believe that Greenhaw majored Rampley in a match at the OSU team camp this summer so you can mark him off your 'better than Greenhaw' list, too.

[swmowrestlingdad]

well i say a lot of good wrestling @ state and i think a few boys surprised allot of people except for themselves and there coaches. 8)

[Hannibal King]

Also I believe that Greenhaw majored Rampley in a match at the OSU team camp this summer so you can mark him off your 'better than Greenhaw' list, too.

way late comeback but just to let you know this never happened, Kamden never wrestled Greenhaw, so check your sources

[GaryM]

Hannibal King - You are correct. After checking my sources, Rampley never wrestled Greenhaw.

What happened was, in the tourney at the end of the camp, Rampley lost to the kid from Watonga and then Greenhaw beat the kid from Watonga on his way to the finals.

I was confused earlier and thought Greenhaw beat Rampley but he didn't, he beat the kid that beat Rampley. At least that's the results I have seen.

[FirstTD]

hey lowsingle do you want to show or learn how to do a good/correct lowsingle? :badgrin: