152

Who are the top 7 wrestlers at this weight class this year?

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Frank, MG, RP, Ox, Darth, THFZN, Northco

[fudge tunnel]

Frank, MG, RP, Ox, Darth, THFZN, Northco

:smt022.......and I worked so hard....

[RP-in-Nebraska]

I thought you were going 145!

If you're at 152, you'd be right after me.

[oxman]

RP----I would put some major FUNK on you .... :)
8)

[RP-in-Nebraska]

Dangit, Ox. You made me laugh out loud at work! :lol:

I hope I don't get fired.

Back to topic at hand, I'd throw you in a spladle and pin you before your lawyer could finish his opening arguments at my "Oxism" trial.

BTW, I am not an Oxist.

[oxman]

I sometimes PRETEND to be set-up for a spladle....
Just so my opponent will try his spastic spladle.....
And end up in my spladle-roll-through-stretch-stack...
It is amazing how simplisticly some people wrestle.... :)
8)

[fudge tunnel]

And end up in my spladle-roll-through-stretch-stack...


I imagine we'll hear from Super Gay Al on this one.....

[Super Gay AL]

grow up

[Louden]

152?!!

You better give me about 3 months to make weight... I'm at 205.

[triple*eee]

Shane Nay said he was possibly going 152 this year. Mentioned that to us last weekend.

[howellfan]

Loccoco may go 152, anyone know?

[LoseWeight-FeelGreat]

Rico williams from hazelwood central should be at 152 this year. He came out of nowhere to place last year and i think he'll come out and make some noise this year too.

[Bob Pollock]

[bramabull]

JON NEWBOLD....ZUMMY SOUTH

[high hope]

Donald Woods from McCluer North would be a beast at 152 should he decide to go that route? Otherwise he'll do o-kay at 160.

[obnoxio]

Can you explain your logic? Why would he be a beast at a lower weight?

This whole weight thing this early in the season has me a little pi$$ed right now. I talked a handful of freshman footballers into going out for their high school wrestling teams recently. My logic to them was that there's not a better sport to compliment your football skills.

Guess what the first thing that came out of these high school coaches mouths was?

Went something like, "If we can cut you down to say 130, you might have a chance..."

WTF is that all about???

[Jay]

"Hear! Hear!"
or is that, "Here! Here!"

watch the movie, Reversal. our penchant for weight cutting is insane.
(to their credit they don't leave it at that and the DVD has many simple guidelines to follow for healthier wrestlers).

Wrestling is shooting itself in the foot for emphasizing dropping weight so much.

On the other hand if you're talking about developing muscle tone, muscle mass, reducing body fat within healthy limits and establishing ideal weight range for a given wrestler, that can be a good thing. But to determine that without testing body fat, without testing for conditioning, etc. that can become abuse.

[high hope]

Jay & Obnoxious

You can not tell me you two "birds" don't understand "cutting weight" and being as lean and strong as possible especially in the middle weight classes. . .

Being in shape for football and being in shape for wrestling are two differnet things. Just look at the some early season matches for those who play football and go directly to wrestling with out the prep time others have had for a month.

I've seen some kids take a few beatings becuase they belong in a lighter weight class and just have not had time to drop those pounds from the different training of another sport. Playing yourself into shap in wrestling is not real smart and can have consequences.

Cutting weight the proper way is just fine when done by changing your diet and exercising, not starving yourself and depriving your body the nutrition it needs. If a kid is lean and strong and does not need to drop a few pounds great, don't and a coach should not encourage it. On the other hand drop a few pounds of fat and move down a weight class can be a positive experience even in the "Big Boy" classes.

There is a reason the "Rubber suits" are not to be used anymore.

Better nutrition and a stronger slimmer athlete is alright guys!

[Jay]

Low Hope
No one said that conditioning for football & wrestling were the same.

Weight loss in wrestling is not a big issue anywhere else in the world.
The average amount of weight cut by Olympic gold medalists is 8-10 lbs.

If weight loss were the key to success in wrestling, you'd think American wrestlers would dominate in the world, yet in the last Olympics the only gold we could muster was Mr. 159-0.

We agree there is a proper way to reduce wt.
I certainly agree better nutrition & fitness is great, but to make weight the single determining factor for success, makes kids focus on the wrong things, especially in the instance Obie cited where the first words out of the coach's mouth was "If we can cut you down to say 130, you might have a chance..."

[redneck]

I definately agree with Jay and Obnoxio on this one. With everyone so intent on cutting weight on a wrestler, we are losing kids who would we ideally suited to this sport.

My stance on this has always been having a wrestler wrestle at their natural body weight if at all possible. If a kid is such a stud as some have touted their kid to be why do they feel the need to cut 10, 15, or more pounds in order to win?

I was aquainted with the parents of a wrestler who was asked by his coach to drop to 135 lbs a few years ago from 157 lbs. This kid is over six feet tall, a beanpole by most standards. There is no way a weight drop like that could be healthy for this kid and although he did accomplish this drop for his coach I'm sure his health was in jeopardy as a result.

In football these kids are encouraged to bulk up and add weight and then a few months later are asked to cut it all again. Not only is this an extremely risky endeavor for some but it sends the message that these kids can only be competetive under these circumstances. Mind games, really.

[high hope]

[color=green]I get the point but I'm here to tell you the coaches I have talked to and been involved with for the last six years have encourage weight loss and sell it to the kids the lighter they get the better chance they have at competing. They do not encourage fasting and they do encourage nutrition.
I have seen kids drop a lot of weight and compete where they would have had no chance.

[Jay]

We agree
encourage nutrition=good.
do not encourage fasting=good.

we sort of agree, but maybe not.
drastic wt. change=not good.
emphasis on wt. loss over wrestling ability= bad.

Redneck said it well
If a kid is such a stud as some have touted their kid to be why do they feel the need to cut 10, 15, or more pounds in order to win?

As Nick Purler has been telling his kids, my paraphrase 'If you get beat bad by a kid, don't dodge him, put him on your 'hit list' and try & wrestle him as many times as it takes for you to finally beat him.'

[obnoxio]

All very good points Jay.

[LoseWeight-FeelGreat]

maybe you guys should start a new thread to continue this convo, or maybe ill just start one about weight contro and start talking about the top 152 pounders.

[LoseWeight-FeelGreat]

i think i will

[gbmem]

I agree you dont have to cut alot of weight to win. of course if you wrestle the lower weights 103-112 you will wrestle mostly freshmens so of course you have a better chance of winning but does it make you better to win by guys that are no challenge. I know there are some good freshmen but the jr's and sr's have alot more experience and maturity. when you wrestle 119 -160 these are the normal weights for average kids not 103 -112. some of these kids that cut all that weight look horrible it makes you sick to look at them but if thats what it takes to make them happy so be it.

[Louden]

I believe it depends on the person and their body type. If they are already lean and muscular then it shouldn't be a big deal to cut little, but if you have excess fat, then it can be very good for you to slim down.

[gbmem]

its not usually the overweight kids that cut weight its the ones who cut to get to the lowest weight classes so they can have a good record which mean nothing if you wrestle nothing

[wrestlefan19]

....back to the topic
I think one kid that could be in the mix is Justin Wolfrum...maybe

[TDC]

Some guys cut just so they can wrestle. You may have a state champ at your weight and another placer below him, so if you want to wrestle bad enough you cut, or wrestle JV, I don't think it's allways the thought that you'll be wrestling lesser competition.

[previous fhc wrestler]

From experience....I've cut every year 10-20 more in some cases my senior year from 158-130 that was my choice but you not only do what is best for yourself but your team. It's like this now, everyone you know will be coming down a weight class sometimes two or three, if you dont and you arent as strong or as built you will be wrestling those built guys. Not that I wasnt built but it just becomes part of wrestling, you know you will be losing weight and looking for the best place for your line up to look good and you as an individual. It's very hard on your mind and your body. You can interupt your growth spurt also. Its hard. Me personaly I didnt wrestle at my best when I cut from 158-130 I should have stayed at 135. I regret that decision. It was mine though! That last five pounds was the mental a physical difference that made me weak minded.

[OneShotOneKill]

I wrestled here in Missouri my freshman year, and I wrestled at 171 for my freshman team, then cut to 160 for the JV lineup, but I didn't do it healthy I did it by sweating out all the water out of my system. Then after that year I moved to Wyoming where they had a whole different way of doing weight control. Before meets ever began they had a doctor test the body fat of every kid and then certified a lowest possible weight they could wrestle at, and then the kid couldn't cut down lower than that. I felt that was a great way to do it. It set a limit to how much a kid could lose.

Also on the subject of wrestling natural body weight, I did that every year except my senior year, I even wrestled 215 for two tournaments weighing 175, and I placed 1st and 2nd in them. I did it to help my team have a full lineup while our 215 made weight. So I agree that if a kid is a stud it shouldn't matter what weight he wrestles, if you are good and work hard it shows.

Some people also cut weight to chase competition, or to continue a rivalry, and I think that is fine as long as it is not to much weight.

But checking body fat and determining a lowest possible weight for a kid worked really well in Wyoming and I felt it was probably the best system I had ever encountered.

Just my two cents

[previous fhc wrestler]

That seems to be a great system that we should adopt. I thought that we were going to my senior year 04, but we ended up doing the same deal everyone drops 1-3 weight classes. I wish that we would use that system, everyone would stay healthy.

[OneShotOneKill]

It really works well in Wyoming, and it kept a lot of kids healthy, it also set up some really good matches, it was harder to duck people, if you wanted to duck someone you had to go up in weight a lot of times